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Brad Miller
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 - posted 08-04-1999 06:56 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, when Terry Westenshow.....whatever it was...I think it is Terry Smith now, sent me a sample of PTRs years ago, I found they didn't work well at all, and in fact made the print extremely dirty (Addams Family I...two prints, identical projectors) as opposed to the one cleaned once with a dry web media cleaner. Granted, I'm sure the PTR technology has improved much since then, but the most recent PTRs I have tested were about a year ago (from FPC) and were less sticky than the originals from that early 1990s test and did not work as well. I do believe they were to "reduce static." Since then a fellow recommended I blow 2 bucks on a "cat hair" roller at the impulse isle at the local Wal-Mart and cut it into strips for placement on the PTR. This actually worked fairly decent. The best part is I could peel it off and toss it when the show was done! How about getting FPC to make roller versions of these where at the end of the show, the top layer can simply be peeled off to reveal another 20 or so layers underneath??? That might sell and would certainly be quicker and easier on the projectionist.

Gordon's idea of using packing tape does make sense. I will give it a try as I have many PTRs laying around to test with.

Gordon, can you give us the information as to the brand and supplier of the PTRs you are speaking of? It would be interesting to test. I am always willing to try new products and ideas, even though I doubt it could do any better than FilmGuard. Also, how about testing FilmGuard on an IMAX print?

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Gordon McLeod
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The PTR's are made by San Labs Systems in Collingwood Ont
They are distributed by Entertainment Equipment Corp in Buffalo
1 800 448 1656
specifiy that you want the same diametre as the FPC (large) rollers
The problem with the Imax and treated film is any residue that might come off and be left on the field flatner
One has to remeber that the complete image area is held by a vacume against the field flattning lens

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John Pytlak
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One risk of a really sticky roller ("cat hair roller" using adhesive tape) is that the film may stick to the roller and wrap-around, causing a jam. The adhesive may also transfer to the film.

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Brad Miller
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All depends on the "cat hair" roller used. It also depends on the back tension of your feed. I haven't done any serious testing with it, just a little bit of playing around and it actually worked.

Anyone out there willing to spend some time at their theater after hours with some old trailers for testing this?

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Charles Lubner
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Does FilmGuard work with PTR's??

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Joe Redifer
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No, FilmGuard does not work with PTRs. In fact, PTRs don't work with anything!

I mean really.... who wants to wash and dry a set of PTR rollers EVERY SHOW for every projector you have a cleaner mounted to, even if they were actually effective, which they are most certainly NOT? PTRs are an idiodic and impractical technology. With media cleaners and FilmGuard, you can just rewind the pads after each show (takes less time than wiping out the projector) and you don't have to dry them or take them to a sink.

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Steve Guttag
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The only way I have seen PTRs work effectively is to start with a clean print. If one cleans a print with a media cleaner so it is clean...then has 2-3 sets of PTRs for EACH screen...one can run EVERY show through the PTRs and carry his/her bucket-O-PTRs around and swap out used for fresh during thread up.

By having 3-sets, you have one running the show, one cleaning and one drying (obviously doing the cleaning/drying while the shows are running).

This way, the film never gets any build up of dirt to clog the rollers.

Still seems like a lot of work to me! I think PTRs have their place but they are anything but a cure all and are sold to people not prepared on how to use them and using merely two rollers (one base side and one emultion) isn't necessarliy wise either...perhaps increasing the number of rollers in the cluster would improve the results.

But frankly, of the booths I've been in (with the exception of those operated by Gary Weyers...currently at the IMAX 3-D in Indianapolis, IN) they only use one set and they are mostly BLACK can covered with "stuff".

Then again, I often don't see the media cleaners with their media threaded right either...that upper one always gets em.

Steve

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Joe Redifer
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I do not follow the arrows when I thread my media pads on the media cleaner. Why not? Well, we are using Christie platters, and the cleaners mount UPSIDE DOWN on th platter tree (I actually prefer this rather than right on top of the projector -- just easier to deal with). When it is upside down, the "top" set of pads can over feed onto the film. They all take up the same, but I just have it feed off of the roll from the opposite side to prevent this.

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Brad Miller
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Same here. Even the photo on the brochure for FilmGuard has lower supply roll wound "backwards" on the cleaner. It runs better wet or dry.

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David Johnson
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We first used PTRs around 10 years ago now and it soon became evidient that they are of no use at all in a less than perfect enviroment. Once they load up with crapp they do just what the name says, transfer it to the rest of the print, so you have a nice clean first half and an even dirtier second half.
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