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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 07-31-1999 06:18 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Quote from Joe's post above:
"There should be something that you can put on the SDDS track opposite side of the optical track so the cue cannot be seen, yet still somehow manages to have specific instructions."

Yes, this is what I meant by reversing the scanners to read the edges of the film. The UA/Kelmar system works nicely that way.

"I don't know how there can be a remote fader with film specific cues, however. You would have to have a cue specifically for telling the sound to go to 6.6 or whatever."

Yes. That would be my preferred method of accomplishing the faders. Having 100 different cues from 0.0 to 10.0 would be fantastic!!! (just kidding) Having cues at 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, 7.5, 8.0, 8.5, 9.0, 9.5, 10.0 would suit most applications just fine. (But seriously, 100 would be nice for us perfectionists.)

"Or you could just have a sound change cue, but then you would have to "program" that info in there."

That would be fine too, but I'd want a minimum of 10 programmable settings.

"A start cue is good if you are really lazy."

Excuse me??? I like the fact my leader and first trailer doesn't sit airborne for an hour before show time. Also, the ability to specify exactly which frame to open the show on is nice for those less than perfect operators or during rushed Thursday nights. Also, it saves time during threading. No need to motor the film until that certain sweet spot hits a certain point in the system. Not using the motor in that manner will add life to your projectors too. (And I know you use Christies, Joe...so it should be of utmost importance!) Thus, the benefits of a start cue.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-01-1999 12:21 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am not against start cues. I just don't really care a whole lot. If I had a projector in my house, I would want a start cue, however. Don't get me wrong, I am ALL FOR being lazy! Aren't all projectionists lazy bums who just sit around?? Just kidding... that's what people downstairs like to think of us. Oh, how they are misinformed.

About sound volume cues. What if you put a cue on that told the automation "Please play this movie at a volume level of 7.0, thank you very much"? What if that movie was "The Mummy"? You would have to literally go back in and physically change the cue because Mummy had an awful mix and could not be played at 7.0. Also, what if you played it at 7.0 normally but wanted to play it at 7.5 or whatever when the house sells out? A cue that says nothing but "change volume" would be preferred and you tell the automation the exact level you want to change it to. On the CA-21, this takes about 4 seconds if you are really slow.

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Erika Hellgren
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 - posted 08-01-1999 04:54 PM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have the same automation as Joe and Stephen. I love this automation - nothing, in my opinion, is easier. I used to use barcodes -- HATED THEM! The advantages of my automation have been covered, except for two points:
1) Sometimes we get special instructions from the studio about credits (like if they have something going on during the credits that they don't want the audience to miss, like A Bug's Life). They might tell us to keep the house lights low or something. Well, we always wonder if it's really worth it. One of our options, then, could be to put a foil cue at the beginning of the credits, and if we find that leaving the lights down for the credits is appropriate, it's just the touch of one button of the automation to change it -- no need to remove the cue! So my point? More options!!!
Which brings me to my second point. Our cues are removable! They leave no sticky residue on the film. Ever try to remove a barcode cue? Can't be done! You have to black the cue out with a marker, or cut the frame out. With our cues, all you need is a fingernail This comes in very handy for us since we are a 16 plex and we never get enough trailers, so we have to save the old ones. Any cues on old trailers can be taken off, then the trailer placed back in another movie at any position in the trailer pack. This is invaluable for me since I am completely in charge of everything trailer related at my theatre.

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Brad Miller
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"Ever tried to remove a barcode cue? Can't be done!"

Sure it can Erika! All you need to do is spray some WD-40 on the area of film where the cue resides, light the film on fire and burn the cue off! This works wonderfully for all safety film stocks. Very easy!

The way I flip the readers around, the cue is only on the edge of the film. With them that small, they peel off effortlessly. What I used to recommend to bar code theaters was to lay a strip of clear splicing tape on the base side of the film where the cue was to go. Then to remove, you just peeled the tape off.

(I was kidding about the WD-40 thing. Please, no one try that!)

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-01-1999 07:47 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Erika, you CAN do what you suggest with the CA-21! Just simply put 2 credit cues on. Make it so the 1st cue reads "lights down" and the second reads "lights mid". If people are falling down the stairs because the lights are staying down, make it so both the 1st and 2nd cues read "lights mid". The only problem is that a 3rd program will need to be made up.

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