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Aaron Sisemore
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The Kinoton (formerly Norelco) platters are awesome! We had Norelco Rotomatic platters at both of the drive-ins I worked at and they were so so nice on film and easy to use, although the make-up speed was a tad on the sloooow side, not as slow as some Autowinds I have used, but slow nonetheless. Parts were a bit expensive too, but they rarely broke.


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Brad Miller
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The newer Christie makeup tables have an adjustment in the speed control for makeup. You can crank them up to load faster. However, I always make it a rule to build to a large reel and then transfer it to the platter. No splicing needs be done at the postable table. It is easier to make a good splice on the rewind bench where there is plenty of light.

With that in mind, loading speed really isn't a factor.

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Ian Price
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Loading speed is important if you have a screening audience sitting in the theatre and the print was just delivered to you.

Loading speed is important if Tecnicolor/Airborn is waiting in your theatre lobby to pick up a film.

Let her rip!

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Joe Redifer
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I remember working at UA, and the only time I was ever late for work was when we had a trade screening of "Amistad". Dreamworks is a bunch of freak-o's so they didn't bring the print until that same day. I got there just in time to build up the 1st 3 reels onto a 7000' and spin it rapidly onto the platter. Then while that was running, I built the rest of the film up to another 7000' and spun it on as the movie was playing. Strong platter. I still can't believe I overslept!

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Christopher Seo
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That's a pretty amusing trick... but how did you do it exactly? Did you attach the second half of the movie to the first half as it was being fed out? If so how did you avoid deforming the shape of the film that was already on the platter?

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Brad Miller
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Ian! Shame on you! The word "rip" should not be in a film handler's vocabulary. But my answer to that is "not my problem, blame Technicolor!" I am so sick of them dropping off prints at the last minute!!! If I miss the first show, oh well. No skin off of my back. Perhaps if the studios will get onto Technicolor about their poor shipping standards, that wouldn't happen any more. If they want a show 15 minutes after the last one drops they have two choices: "it'll be ready when it's ready" OR I can cancel the last show. I'm not going to "rip" through a breakdown just to please them! Plus, I'm sure the next theater appreciates the care in breakdown.

As to the Strong trick, that can be done on ANY* platter! All that must be done is to load up the first half of the film onto the deck, thread it and then make the splice joining the last half onto the first half and start the show. The trick on a Christie is to take the belt off of the drive motor on the make up table. Also, never do this trick where there is more film on the reel than platter. (That should be obvious.) Also on startup, the operator should spin the reel of film by hand so there is slack until everything is up and rolling, then slowly let it pull the film off the reel itself. But again, that can be done with ANY platter.

*NOTE: never attempt this on an older Strong platter with the microswitch or any other with a straight ON/OFF payout, as the difference in speed will dump the print. The trick works fine on Christies or the newer Strongs.

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Joe Redifer
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Right, you can do it on any platter. What I did was build up the last 4 reels as the 1st 3 were playing. Then I took the 7000' reel over to the table and disengaged the platter motor and spliced. This is easier to do on a Strong because there will not be any film damage if it wraps. Then I turned on the table motor so it would slowly spin the film out onto the platter (instead of the platter pulling the film from the reel) I had to come back every 5 to 10 minutes and slow it down, but it worked. I wouldn't want to do it again, though.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Here's one some of you will no doubt disagree with. For close to 15 years I have always sold Potts or Strong platters where the run was 35mm exclusivley. I have had so few problems with them. That I have just continued with this course. The platters are VERY easy to set up and or fix when need be. About 95% of them have been microswitch type too, and this will no doubt surprise many. If the venue is going to run 70mm and is managwer operated then a Christie AW3 is a great idea. It handles 70mm like no other everyday platter can. For maintainance simply replace all the micros and drive belts ever two to three years and you'll have very few problems to contend with. Remember these 3 things..... A variac every 5 years or so, but no LED cards to replace and calibrate to make it go. An electrolux motor now and then and you won't have to deal with Bodine. Micros and belts every 3, but no broken payout feed fingers you see.

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Ken Lackner
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OK. I have never worked with Christies. But I have worked at a brand new theatre for almost 2 years that had exclusively Strong equipment, including platters. They were micro switch. I loved them. I have never worked with the LED platters, but my tech tells me they can be more of a pain in the ass. I don't mind the on-off of the switches. They are easy to replace, easy to calibrate. Timing? Simple. I have never had a problem timing the platter, and the motors do not go so far up that they scratch the film.

Of course they are not perfect. My complaints: They get warped easily. But, as Joe mentioned in the initial post to this thread, they are smooth and non-abrasive, so platter scratches are rare. Also, they can be difficult to clean sometimes. Certain solutions will leave a noticeable film on the platter deck. This has happened to me with standard glass cleaner. The best thing I have found to use is 409. Another complaint is (as I think someone already mentioned in this thread) that if you pull the film to quickly while threading, the elevator (yo-yo) becomes dissengaged and will drop. Even a slight degree of tension will do this. My final complaint is that the Christie "Bevan-Poo's" do not stick. Even when they are cleaned, I cannot get them to stick properly.

Overall, I would say they are a good machine. But I would like to work with Christies. I won't knock 'em 'til I try 'em.

For clarification, what is the difference between Strong platters and Potts? Also, does anyone know anything about strong DMC platters? There is one theatre in my district that has them, but I have never worked projection at that theatre, so I don't know anything about them. I have never seen them at any other theater. thx.

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Aaron Sisemore
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>>For clarification, what is the difference between Strong platters and Potts?<<

The name, and maybe the color of the rollers (every Potts I have seen has white rollers as compared to the Strong's black). The Strong platters are made either by Potts, or under license from Potts.

Aaron

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Ken Lackner
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So, once again, strong borrowed a product and put there name on it. Don't they make anything of their own?

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Richard Fowler
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Potts and Strong platters are made by Design & Manufacturing Inc. Potts went to Design after a dispute with a relative which continued to manufacture is older platter which became the "super platter" that CFS marketed....this "super platter" is now made in India by the Monee company that also makes their version of a Century projector. I have sold Potts platters of all versions since the early 1970's (when he used to deliver them to the theatre in a special van).... and have sold hundreds with only two that gave us trouble out of the box. They are cheap to maintain and with systematic replacement of drive parts, very trouble free. In a twin theatre in Nevada, we ran film 125 feet to and from a microswitch platter with no hassles. Bob Potts is truely one of the nice guys in this business and Suzy Bright, another relative, is very helpful in the office. Strong bought out Design and Manufacturing with stock, when it was at a much higher price than today.
For customers that desire Christie type features, we sell Cinemeccanica platters, which went bought in quanity, falls between the price of a Potts and Christie platter.....of the units I have so far, only one has given us problems ( due to shipping damage ) and is built well enough that it was a easy field fix.
Richard Fowler
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Freddie Dobbs
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Brad
When you go calabrate that theatre will you stop by Miami and correct the 70% of the warped platters on som M3's Christie sold me?
Mark
Do you know about the wire trick on the variac, it adds a lifetime to it.

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Richard Fowler
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Don't give out the wire trick !!!! Have you heard of job security? Say hello to Bob Wall......
Richard Fowler
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Ken Lackner
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How do you know Bob Wall? The Bob Wall I know (of - don't actually know the guy personally) is the technical supervisor for the South in Regal Cinemas, who I work for.

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