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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-25-1999 06:11 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, I was thinking of that Fisher-Price thing about 15 years back (or so) where it recorded black and white video onto a cassette tape! technology at it's finest! I think they used the same camera to film Blair Witch, if I am not mistaken.

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Mark DeLettera
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 - posted 08-26-1999 07:40 AM      Profile for Mark DeLettera   Email Mark DeLettera   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, I'm Mark DeLettera, the technician "modeling" in the Kodak print ad. I am not a projectionist, nor do I play one on TV, (or in magazines)! As John Pytlak said, I was posing as a ScreenCheck inspector at the time of the shoot. Inspecting for damaged rollers with a flashlight in a dark projection booth is not unheard of. Also, using the white cotton gloves was not for handling the film, it is a way to rub fingers over the rails and rollers to inspect for cleanliness.
Just wanted to say Hi!

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Joe Redifer
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Hi, Mark! Nice digital beard! Since you were there, was the film really 6-perf or was that also enhanced on the computer? Did the photographer mess up the film threading or did he make you do it? I am always curious about the little details.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 08-26-1999 12:41 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark is on vacation for a long weekend, so I'll answer Joe's question. The photos were taken at a local Rochester GCC 6-plex on April 23, 1999, in late morning, minutes before the first show of the day. (You wanted details! ) The print was the actual print being used at that theatre, and had already been threaded by the head projectionist. The photographer posed the picture, and suggested the use of the flashlight and film handler's gloves. My guess is they hand-turned the platter back a bit to throw some interesting (but "This is BAD") film slack into the picture (the extra loop of film in the foreground and roller misthread that started this whole discussion). Mark's beard and "enhancement" of the film frames to look like 6-perf were done digitally by the ad agency after the fact. Mark and I did not see the final ad until it appeared in print.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 10-28-1999 01:34 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark is a senior technician in Kodak's Worldwide Technical Services Group. Although he is not a ScreenCheck field engineer, he and I helped develop the specifications for ScreenCheck certification and re-inspection.

ScreenCheck field engineers are contracted from established theatre service companies, and already have considerable experience in projection and sound. The program is managed by Kodak's Cinema Operations Group, headquartered in Los Angeles.

The pre-certification inspection covers over 130 aspects of presentation quality. The periodic follow-up inspections cover over 80 items. Each item is rated on a report card, and weighted according to its importance. Theatres must meet and maintain better than a "B" grade on ALL critical items (e.g., screen luminance, focus stability, steadiness, etc.), and a 75% weighted score overall. The detailed inspection report is shared with the theatre so they can fix any problems or deficiencies.

Accidental damage to a print will not cause a theatre to lose its ScreenCheck certification, but consistent neglect of problems that could damage prints will (e.g., hot spotting, poorly maintained equipment, lack of proper splicing equipment).

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Joe Redifer
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The use of FilmGuard should automatically give any theatre a better grade on Kodak's report card. It improves the presentation dramatically. I don't think Kodak is quite up to speed on FilmGuard yet, though.

Image steadiness is a criteria? So therefore you automatically eliminate every theatre that has a Christie projector! Too bad Kodak Screencheck does not also apply to manufacturers (like THX) who have to meet certain criteria for their products to be used in a certified theatre.

Nobody in Colorado is doing ScreenCheck (although we received a ton of those trailers with the goofy guys "cleaning" up the onscreen problems). Maybe this means we are automatically certified?

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John Pytlak
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Joe --- ScreenCheck measures the results on the screen, and doesn't pre-judge whether a particular brand of equipment can achieve good quality. Steadiness is measured using a roll of SMPTE 35-PA (RP40) test film. For vertical steadiness (jump), an "A" rating is less than 1/10 of a square movement, a "B" is 1/10 square, a "C" is 2/10, a "D" is 3/10 and an "F" is greater than 3/10. For horizontal movement (weave), "A" is less than 4/10 of a square movement, "B" is 4/10, "C" is 5/10, "D" is 6/10, and "F" is more than 6/10. These criteria are based on SMPTE Recommended Practice RP105, "Method of Determining the Degree of Jump and Weave...". As you know, each square on the 35-PA film represents 1/2 percent of image width, or 0.004125 inches on the film.

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John Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Eastman Kodak Company
Rochester, NY 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243


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Joe Redifer
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Then you still must automatically fail all theatres with Christie projectors, as surely they will get an 'F' in vertical steadiness with that horrible Ultramittent. I don't care if it won an Academy Award or not, it sucks!

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 10-29-1999 07:04 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One day you must really explain why emulsion-in on a platter is "bad". It is my default orientation (and has been so for 20-years) and have never had a problem with it. As John stated earlier, humidity conditions may dictate which way I'll wind a print to achieve the best wind and payout...but heck I hate platters anyway ;-)


The only quasi-valid point I've seen on winding emulsion out is if the take-up guide roller causes the edge of the print to scrape the SDDS track off.

And to Scott...at the beloved Uptown, I switched the booth to emulsion-in wrap in 1988 (reel-to-reel with 8" hubs and 22" flanges).

The theatre has traditionally played extended runs and the longer the run the more difficult the focus became.

Now the Uptown has been a union house since it was built in 1936 and is steeped in tradion...I went through the "I've been running film this way for...blah, blah years...and such but got them to go along with it for one feature. The difference was dramtic...400+ shows and the focus was the same on the first show as the last. Nothing sells a system to an old-time union operator like being able to sit on his a**. (It was right around the time of Roger Rabbit)...it has been emulsion-in ever sense and still works just fine.

To John...touch a frame of picture with one's bare hand, of course not...That is why I have always used "scrap film" spliced onto the protective leader and protective tail of each reel. You hands touch the scrap film (after all what are all those old dumb ad films for...think of it as recycling :-)). After threading, wind down to the countdown. There is no reason for the film to hit the ground or be handled near the projection part of the film. The protective leader/tails create a nice buffer zone so the reel changes don't look crappy.

Steve

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Brad Miller
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Thank you for backing up that point of mine on adding extra leader, Steve. No one seems to do this! Minimum of 50 feet head and tail on platters and minimum of 20 feet on changeovers is my rule. The more the better. Even Joe said the day he came back from Telluride after running changeovers for the first time that the reel changed started to look crappy after only a couple of runs! This is a perfect example of why leaders MUST be extended. This is also a prime reason why I do NOT like running brute force (reel to reel) projection.


  • You've got the stress of the film having to pull the weight of the supply reel.
  • You've got the high back tension on the film at the end of the reel.
  • You've got a constantly changing takeup tension being applied to the film.
  • You've got the stress of rewinding after each show.
  • You've got the chance of cinch mark scratching vertically from film convolutions slipping against one another.
  • You've got the chance of cinch mark scratching horizontally from film not properly being "flange binded" against a side of a reel.
  • You've got the constant handling of the film.
  • Need I go on???

In regards to emulsion in and out, I have always ran emulsion out whether it be on a platter or reel to reel. I have never, not once had a problem with focus, and yes I have used binoculars to verify. I'm thinking there is something else that is aggravating the situation at your location. Also, my emulsion out practice wasn't ever an argument I would make with acetate film except on platters. I was just simply making a point with acetate stocks that was how "I" did it. With polyester film, I will argue the point to the end of time. Hopefully Mr. Pytlak will get SMPTE to re-evaluate the whole (and very outdated) emulsion in recommendation.

One must remember, the whole emulsion in recommendation in it's SIMPLEST form was to prevent the film from developing an excessive curl. With acetate film, the curl was outward towards the emulsion. With polyester film, the curl is outward toward the base. Film will always develop a curl in the opposite direction of the core...thus my point that no polyester film should be ran emulsion in for best focus and stability. I think the guys on the forum here can back me up on this. (For platter guys, emulsion out winding is running soundtrack up on the platter and emulsion in winding is running the soundtrack down on the platter.)

Try running polyester film emulsion out for awhile and see what you think.

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