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Aaron Sisemore
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From: Rockwall TX USA
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 - posted 10-13-1999 12:11 AM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have operated a 9-plex (5 downstairs and 4 upstairs, 4 separate booths), alone, to include thursday night make-up and breakdowns without timers or status boards, and the only time I have really needed assistance in the booth is if something goes terribly wrong such as a major brainwrap or mechanical failure...Ten shouldnt be any worse, especially if all the theatres have one common booth.

Aaron

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Erika Hellgren
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 - posted 10-13-1999 02:36 PM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I run a 16 plex, with timers and status boards, and I'm always the only one running the booth during a shift. The timers give me extra time that I use to do cleaning chores, or theatre checks - anything to make sure that no presentation is deminished just because I'm a platter jockey. No movies ever start up with something wrong with the thread - as long as I'm in the booth. If I couldn't handle it, I would go down to a smaller theatre. It would be hard, but I know I could run a 24 plex by myself better than any team of AMC ushers. (Wow, that's not saying much, is it?) It doesn't matter how many screens you have, the quality doesn't deminish just because the number is higher. In my opinion, it all depends on the efficiency of the operator.

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Chris Erwin
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 - posted 10-13-1999 06:51 PM      Profile for Chris Erwin   Email Chris Erwin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree with your comment Erika about the operator, but I would like to add this point: the operator is a product of their training. (not always,but many times at multiplex houses) If the operator was trained well,the number of screens shouldn't matter. But,how it is now,many places have ushers,janitors,ticket people,etc. in the booths and their training in very minimal to none. Then the equation looks like this:
More Screens=More Problems=More refunds, etc. (Ok time to rant...put projectionist back in the booths! If some one wants to learn to run the equipment properly and try to do a good job,fine. But quit pulling people off the floor or off the street and putting them in the booth. Half the time they don't care,half do their job,and have no concern for me or the next person that gets their print. Ok,I feel better now.

--Chris

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 10-16-1999 07:39 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Allright, allright....what is this nonsense about running 6000' reels on automated changeovers being _more_ difficult?

I'll take the largest complex you can run platters...add two and I'll run it automated changeovers.

On Thursdays I'll have my new films/trailers and old films/trailers done first too.

BTW...on all this boasting about how many screens everyone is boasting about being able to run, how many times do you get to check EACH screen to ensure optimal focus? I don't know of many platter guys that ever look out after the show starts and don't even do that if they use timers/clocks on the larger plexes.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 10-19-1999 03:38 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I check each projector every time I walk down the hall. Since I walk up and down the rows about 100 times a day, each one gets checked 100 times!

Okay, I exagerate, but I think people get the point.

No matter how big or small your booth you should be constantly checking things. My suggestion is to just stay on your feet! So many people I train in the booth are good for about 2 months then they just slack off. Next thing you know, they are in one of three places. 1) watching a movie. 2) sitting at the desk reading the newspaper. 3) outside smoking.

If you just stay on your feet and walk up and down the row, (Except for breaks, etc.), you'll almost automatically be checking projectors! Any good projectionist knows that more than HALF of the problems you have can be detected by sound alone!

Remember that scene in "Cinema Paradiso"?

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Erika Hellgren
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 - posted 10-20-1999 01:17 PM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Optimal focus? I only need to check that once a week on each projector! Once the focus is set on a particular movie, I never touch the knob again until prints get moved.

As Randy said, a good projectionist is checking things as he/she walks down the booth. I do it without even thinking about it. I also check my threads as I'm threading, and believe it or not - I DON'T make threading mistakes. Threading mistakes are for rookies.

And though I am usually not there when the projector starts up because of timers, I always have time to go downstairs to check movies from the auditoriums at least once a night. I tend to notice any technical problems long before the customers do.

But I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is, so if you don't believe me, come on down to my theatre, and feel free to critique me. I'm always open for suggestions

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 10-20-1999 01:39 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I must agree with Erika (once again) with her comments above. In particular, the focus issue. Running emulsion out (soundtrack up) on platters, checking focus is NOT an issue. The only time it would be is if there is something mechanically loose in the lens holder/turret or the emulsion is wound in. I've ran years and years this way and although I always checked for optimal focus, it was never needed.

Also, on the late model Christie platters, it's awful hard to make a threading error, as their new roller design doesn't allow the film to fall off the rollers and the AW3 was an excellent design to begin with.

As to checking all machines in a large complex, no problem. Running a large theatre requires going from machine to machine to rethread and such...one must walk by running machines all the time. Sound plays a big role in troubleshooting too. Most things can be detected by sound (except a douser not opening).

I also have used timers for thousands upon thousands of starts in my days and perhaps one in a thousand had a problem such as a jammed douser. Never were there out of frame or out of focus starts and the extremely rare problems were always corrected immediately anyway.

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 10-22-1999 06:10 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, I have to take exception to this...I have yet to see a film projected using 2KW and up that didn't have observable focus drift after 20 minutes and annoyingly so after an hour. And that is with soundtrack up or down (BTW every film manufacturer has tested and shown that the film emulsion is more stable if it is stored emulsion in or soundtrack down, and I have proven it time and again on reels now).

The gate parts heat up, the lens heats up and expands...it might look "ok" from a quick glance in the port but not so down at the theatre.

Every once an a while, I get a person that focuses for the trailers when they start...during the opening credits things have started to drift but still passable but by the 3rd reel there is really no description more fitting than "out of focus." And this is with top lenses by ISCO and Schneider.

If you want to see the drift, take binoculars with you around the booth.

Steve

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 10-22-1999 09:21 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Next time you're in Dallas, feel free to stop by and I'll show ya. I too have used binoculars to check the focus and simply put, never had a problem.

One must remember though, those recommended practices were drawn up before polyester came around. I am referring to plattered prints and polyester. Running reel to reel will cause problems regardless of the winding orientation. The hubs are too small. Nevertheless, I've had no problems in the past running platter or changeover winding exclusively emulsion out. Perhaps there is something all together different we are doing other than the winding orientation which causes you headaches and doesn't affect me? Winding tension perhaps???

Anyway, wind however it works best for you...but I'd be awful interested in knowing your booth equipment that is causing you such problems every 20 minutes. If you do stop by, don't forget to bring your binoculars.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 10-23-1999 03:19 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve, are you using Cinemeccanica's?

After you visit Brad's theatre, be sure to visit mine as well. It's right next door. That is if "next door" is an acceptable term for 1000 miles away.

But every Thursday night we screen prints, set the focus right at startup and the focus remains constant throughout. Sometimes when I don't get to run a print on Thursday I will focus the movie on the closing credits the next day. Upon startup after that and every following day the movie is perfectly in focus from beginning to end. We are using Chrisitie projectors and mostly Schneider lenses. On some of our smaller houses the flat lenses are ISCO.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 10-27-1999 11:46 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've been talking with a guy that I think is pretty knowledgeable. I asked him about 'emulsion in/out'.

He said that the reason for that was because during shipping, the film can get hot or cold and expand or contract. This expansion/contraction could cause reticulation (sp?) of the emulsion if it isn't stored emulsion IN.

He also said that if you store the film in 'stable' conditions, (eg: temperature), you don't have to worry. It won't make much difference which way it's stored 'cuz the film won't expand/contract.

Essentially, he said that you should store the film whatever way works best for you. (I like "out") If you think your film might be subjected to extremes of temperature, them you might want to go with 'emulsion in.'


...Just my $0.02 worth...

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Chris Wootten
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From: Moonlit Cinema, RAAF Tindal, N.T. Australia
Registered: Dec 1999


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You guys are gluttons. I am quite happy with my single screen, twin Bauer U3s with changeovers...HA [Smile] [Wink]

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