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Topic: Bulb Rotations
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Rick Long
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 759
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 10-12-1999 05:35 PM
We here, have always been under the assumption (though, admittedly, never proved) that the bulb although hot when in operation, is cooled by the forced air. At the instant of shut-down, the bulb is still almost at operating temperature and, for a short time, needs the forced air to prevent heat from damaging the seals, ect.I like the system Osram uses on their 1600-watt and smaller bulbs for rotation. Install the bulb with the washer in place on the negative end. At half-life, disconnect the positive clamp, unscrew the bulb, and throw the washer away. When you screw the bulb back in, it will automatically have rotated 1/2 turn. With our booths being operated by those with less experience than in the past, this is probably a good thing. I agree with both Joe and Gord that flicker problems may occur unless the bulb current is raised for a short period (a day or so) to allow the new position to "set". Here's a question or two. We have always advised booth personnel to install the bulb so that the quartz "tit" (seal) is not straight up, but at the 9:00 or 3:00 position; the theory being that this supposedly weak point should not be at the top of the bulb where the greatest heat would occur. Agree or not? Second question: Someone who should know (but maybe didn't like me) once told me that in order to de-gas a xenon bulb before throwing it away, it is only necessary to take a pair of side-cutters and nip off this "tit". Anyone ever tried this, and do you now carry a white (how would you know) cane?
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John Walsh
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Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 10-12-1999 08:22 PM
Regarding leaving the fan on: We don't. We shut off both the lamphouse blower and the roof exhaust at the same time and go home.But this might not be good for everybody. Now, I don't know this for a fact, but maybe it works this way: Let's say at lamp "A," the temperture at the bulb seals runs at 75% of max. allowed. When the fans are shut off at night, the temperture rises to 95%, but then starts to cool down. No problem. At lamp "B," the temperture at the bulb seals runs at 85% of max. allowed, cause the fan is not so good. When the fans are shut off, the seal temp goes up to 105%. Not good. Personally, I think the bulb temp should remain the same at all times, as much as is possable. So if I worked at theater "A", I would just shut off all fans between shows. That way, the bulb doesn't cycle from cold to hot, over and over. We had 4 Zenith/Cinemecannica lamphouses with that Osram 1600 watt lamp with the spacing washers. I know I sound like I'm lazy, but it was a hassle to deal with them. There was no support at the + end, so you had to be careful disconnecting it because the threads get corroded. The plastic cover the bulb is shipped in is also needed as a removing tool, and someone would throw it away. When you are an in-house tech and trying to keep 35-40 screens running, you want to get rid of these kinds of "nuisance" maintaince items, however small. I doubt that that little nib where the air is sucked out is weaker than the rest. I would think it would be stronger. I sure it would be mentioned in the installation procedures if it were true. Can't hurt, though. Of course it also doesn't matter which way a bulb is rotated, but you might make up your own bulb record chart stating clearly which way to go. Don't forget to put your name and phone number on it for a little "polite" advertising. As far as cutting off the nib to de-gas the bulb; holy smokes! You seem like a nice guy to me, but that fellow must really dislike you. I wrap them in several layers of newspaper, and they still shred the paper when exploded. I don't know if any of you have a cfm meter, but I would highly suggest it. They are not too expensive - $300. In the Xetron lamp support manual, they suggest 500 cfm for a 4000w lamp. If you specify that during construction of a new theater, it's great to be able to stick that thing in there and turn to the HVAC guy and say, "Not enough." Then turn directly to the owners and say, "Please don't blame me for bulbs dying early. It will cost you X amount extra over the next 5 years because this fan doesn't meet spec." Anyway, sorry to blab on.
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John Pytlak
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Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 10-13-1999 04:28 PM
We destroy our old bulbs by leaving them in the protective wrapping, wrapping that in several layers of heavy canvas, and hitting or stressing the electrodes until the bulb pops. We leave the quartz shards in the canvas, label it as a laceration hazard, and discard with waste laboratory glassware. Generally have saved the tungsten electodes as conversation pieces.Is there any scrap market for used tungsten electrodes? Does Will Rogers charity collect them for scrap value, as they used to do for copper drippings from carbon lamps? Would NEVER even think of throwing out an old bulb without breaking it first. Likwise, would NEVER risk injury by breaking the bulb without having it in its' protective case and several layers of canvas. We wear the full "regalia" of protective clothing whenever we handle a bulb, including full face shield, "gauntlets" that extend up the wrist, and ballistic nylon jumpsuit. We want to keep both eyes, and not spill any blood.  ------------------ John Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Eastman Kodak Company Rochester, NY 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
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