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Paul Konen
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 01-13-2000 10:13 AM
Additional Information: While unfortunately having to change out a couple of reels because of looping scratches, I also discovered the source of the black vertical scratches that appear.I strongly feel that they are coming from the first roller after the payout. Unless the film stays perfectly on the roller, it will either ride up towards the tree and with the Christie AW3, it will cause the film to scrape against the holder during payout. We just had our tech come and do pm at our theatre and locked down all rollers on the tree. This way they cannot swivel and cause rideups while paying out. Also, he timed the platters such that the prints are fairly tight and much more pleasing to move. I am trying to get the information on how he did this but he is not there by the time I arrive.
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 01-13-2000 08:18 PM
Mike:The slight shift in vertical position at reel changes usually is an indication that the print was made by a lab using bi-directional panel printers. The height of the BH-1866 perforation on the duplicate negative is 0.073 inches, and on the KS-1870 perforation on the print film is 0.078 inches. So there is a 0.005 inch shift in the vertical position of the image between reels where the printer sprocket drove the film heads-to-tails, as opposed to tails-to-heads. If the scene has a really "tight" composition, or if your scope aperture is higher than the standard 0.690 inches (sometimes showing the framelines), this shift can be annoying. Other shifts can occur due to variations in the setup for any optical printing or digital effects. ------------------ John Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Eastman Kodak Company Rochester, NY 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 01-13-2000 08:55 PM
On the original topic of scratches:Watch those loop sizes! Short vertical scratches always appearing at the same place on the frame usually indicate a loop that was too small or too big, such that it "flapped" on a projector component that scratched the film. Don't forget that the size of the bottom loop also affects analog sound sync. When the film is excessively curled, it can "pull-in" to the center of an undercut roller or guide bar. Excessive curl is usually due to very dry booth conditions. Keep the relative humidity between 50 and 60 percent RH if you can. Use an accurate digital humidity gauge (Radio Shack and Edmund Scientific sell fairly inexpensive ones) to measure RH. A clip of a piece of film from the leader is also a good humidity gauge. After the film equilibrates a few minutes to the booth environment, let it hang free and observe the curl. The film should cup VERY SLIGHTLY toward the emulsion side ("positive curl"). Very dry conditions cause the emulsion to shrink, causing excessive positive curl. Very moist conditions cause the emulsion to expand, causing the film to be sticky and limp, and with a slight "negative curl". You can see this effect by breathing on the hanging film strip --- the moisture from your breath will actually change the curl. Drying the film with a hair dryer will cause the film to curl in the other direction. As often mentioned on Film-Tech forum, horizontal or slightly diagonal scratches usually are caused when the film is not properly guided onto the platter, so a burr or rough spot on the platter surface rubs across the film as the platter rotates. Misthreaded film riding up onto a roller flange will also cause diagonal scratches. Horizontal "cinch marks" are caused by flattening a dished or unevenly wound roll. Vertical "cinch marks" are often caused by pulling on the end of the film to tighten a loosely wound roll. Carefully rewind loose or uneven rolls to avoid cinching. Use an on-line film cleaner to keep the film clean and minimize cinching from abrasive particles being wound into the film roll. ------------------ John Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Eastman Kodak Company Rochester, NY 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
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