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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-22-1999 07:34 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've never personally caused significant damage to a film (although I admit to a few lost frames here and there), but I did stop by the Theatre one night to pick up some of my stuff only to watch with horror as a co-worker (not in the booth at the time! shame on him!) trashed a print of the Dutch film "Character" (a great film, by the way) by not closing the pad roller on the lower sprocket of the soundhead.

Basically, he managed to trash the first 2 1/2 reels or it (6000' reels)--and this was an acetate print! About half-way through the second reel, the take-up reel had stopped taking up (since the film was lop-sided on the reel) and half of the second (trashed) reel ended up on the floor. This was with 6000' reels.

I'd really hoped that the distributor (Sony Pictures Classics) would have a fit when the print was returned to them and bill management for the print (and maybe would encourage mgmt. to hire competent projectionists), but, amazingly, they never said a word...argh!

I was pretty upset about the whole experience, but no one else seemed to care... At least I could feel good that probably 90% of the films that I handled left the theatre in better condition than they arrived (not a difficult thing to do, since we were running mostly second-run and rep stuff that had previously been run at AMC and Carmike houses...).

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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
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 - posted 11-22-1999 11:18 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have a theater, a twin, (actually, the lease is up on the 28th- we're not renewing) where the operator had turned the seperate 'rewind room' into his own living room. A stereo, cable TV, microwave oven, big easy chair. He would start the film, and go in there and close the door, and only come out in time for the next film.

One day he starts (I forget the film), then goes in to watch TV. The film starts to split in half at the failsafes, and runs that way from the middle of R1 to the end. (Which is a known problem with these types of failsafes from Kelmar.) Since both halfs were being taken-up, no alarms went off. Since it split after the soundhead, no indication appeared onscreen.

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Cory Johnson
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From: La Crosse, WI USA
Registered: Aug 1999


 - posted 11-22-1999 12:34 PM      Profile for Cory Johnson   Email Cory Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Heres my worst:
(this was while I work at a Carmike theatre - needless to say I quit several days later and switched to a different theatre company and these types of incidents don't occur here)...

Christmas Eve - I had the night off. Getting into bed and the phone rings. Asst. Manager is crying on the other end and explains he dropped the print of 101 Dalmatians on the floor. I get up out of bed at 12:30 am and head into the theatre. By the time I get there the other person there is grabbing heaps of film and dragging them 50' across the upstairs booth. All I could do is laugh my ass off (I already had my new job lined up so I really didnt care about the theatre as the manager was less than pleasant to work for). Anyway, I reconstructed the film using 2 rolls of splicing tape until 4:30 in the morning. It ran through, correctly put together but it was the worst showing of a movie I have ever seen. I quit the next day (I gave 2 weeks notice) and all I heard about for the next month was the complaints and problems that they had from customers abou the print. I still find it amusing to this day. Needless to say, this theatre constantly has "issues" reguarding prints and presentations and I was glad to leave. I recently watched Any Where But here 3 days after opening and it was completely scratched. They even managed to play SW:E1 wrong: Midnight showing opening night (first show) they put reel 2 on backs and didnt catch it even though they swear they screened it first. Some people never learn I guess....

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Mike Blakesley
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From: Forsyth, Montana
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I think my worst-ever was "Forrest Gump" when it was re-issued. It was the last night of our run, on a Thursday. I was shorthanded that night and was working the booth AND the box-office. Since that movie is longer than normal, I left the booth during the last couple of reels so I could be at the ticket window at our "normal" late-show time to tell people that the late show wouldn't be on for another 45 minutes. The film picked that time to snag on the failsafe under the projector (on a splice) and the projector head proceeded to fill up with film. I didn't get wise until finally there was a burn-thru on the screen (which I can partially see from the boxoffice.) It caused a broken tooth on an intermittent gear, so we were dark for the rest of that night, as well as the next night.

Fortunately we had a small crowd that night and everyone was very understanding.

That was the only time I ever cussed DTS. If not for DTS, the sound would have cut-out as soon as the soundhead filled with film and I'd have had about 300 less feet inside the projector head.

That's the only equipment-related missed shows I've ever had in 21 years in this business. We've had a few other dark nights, but they've mostly been due to the idiots at Technicolor and Greyhound Bus.

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Johanna Innes
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From: Formerly of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 11-22-1999 11:09 PM      Profile for Johanna Innes   Email Johanna Innes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Erick:

I've worked in a couple of non-tiled booths at other theaters, and the carpeted one at my usual theater. Now that I've thought about it, it's kind of an interesting situation:

- Our carpeted booth is very staticky.
- One of the tiled booths has no static problems. This is in a very new theater, all new ventilation, etc, etc, etc.
- The other booth is actually concrete, and had static from hell. This was in a very old theater (50+ years maybe). They "borrowed" our portable humidifier after they had a wrap on the opening midnight showing of Star Wars TPM and some kind soul in the audience called that 1-800-rat-on-us-to-Lucas phone number.

Oh, and may I add that I got that print in my theaters after it had gone through 2 other locations, and it left my care in MUCH better shape than it arrived in? I can't begin to tell you how much I hate it when some lazy projectionist decides to leave 8 million layers of splice tape at every splice when he's making up.

Anyway, I'm guessing that the whole static issue is a combination of all the old culprits - carpet, poor ventilation, low humidity, high heat, etc.

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Anthony Matarazzo
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From: Brisbane Australia
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-23-1999 04:32 AM      Profile for Anthony Matarazzo   Email Anthony Matarazzo   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The WORST (and I mean the worst) thing that I have done to a print happened last week. I had 6:30, 6:40 and a 7:00pm sessions. Our location has three separate booths. I started the 6:30 and it went off ok - no problems. And then the other two. I went on my meal break art 7:30 and I quickly looked on the monitor in each box and I saw everything working fine. When I came back I had another looking on the T.V monitor and I saw all this film on the floor from the 6:30.

I quickly ran upstairs to the box and I saw a BIG mound of film on the floor. I don’t really know what happened but the platter didn't pick up the fault. And instead of the film going back onto the floor the film was falling to the ground. Approx 6000feet of film on the floor. REALLY EMBARRASSING . The next session ran 20 late and only 50feet was damaged, but is still usable. I am never forget that in a hurry.

Oh yeah the feature was General's Daughter

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Jim Ziegler
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From: West Hollywood, CA
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 - posted 11-26-1999 02:35 AM      Profile for Jim Ziegler   Email Jim Ziegler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The worst damage I have come across was when our autofocus malfunctioned, pushed the bulb as far forward as it could) and severly blistered Mickey Blue Eyes... To this day I cannot understand how the projectionists on duty did not notice this as it was happening... (I got the call after the second show started and the print was destroyed)

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Mark Ogden
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From: Little Falls, N.J.
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 - posted 11-27-1999 11:40 AM      Profile for Mark Ogden   Email Mark Ogden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My most embaressing moment? "The French Lieutenant's Woman" in the late 70s or so. Twin theater with 2 Norelcos per side and 6000 ft. reels, and me, a young novice without an apprentice card.

So I'm loading up the movie on the B screen, and I'm thinking about beer or my girlfriend or somesuch thing, cause I put up reel one and forget to push the reel latch down. And the movie starts fine, so I head down the hall to the A screen and thread up the movie there, and start it rolling. And I'm sitting there fat dumb and happy for about 10 minutes when from down the hall I hear:

sproingKABAMMM!!!!

I look down the hall to see the reel rolling on the floor after falling off the spindle. Now this chain (CinemaNational, which was sold to Mid-States, which was sold to USA, which was sold to Loews, which was sold to Hoyt's, which is being sold) bought these flimsy, crapola non-floating hub reels. And when this one hit the floor, one of the flanges bent under it so as to prevent the film from paying out properly. I could NOT get this thing to bend out again. Finally the popcorn kid came up to see why the show was off, and we finaly located this big honkin' screwdriver and were able to use it as a pry bar to bend the flange back enough to allow the film to pass thru.

Now the manager is watching the two of us on the floor trying to get the reel bent back into shape, and he's laughing his ass off as he thinks that this is the funniest thing he's ever seen. The next night I went upstairs, and a sign had been hung from the reel spindle in his writing:

LATCH GOES DOWN BEFORE STARTING PROJECTOR

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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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 - posted 11-27-1999 01:59 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Untouchables in 70mm
I was running this in one of the big old theatres that had been made into a five and The untouchables was running in the upper booth on a vic8 and orc platter.The machine had a very steep downward angle and the cinemecanica twin microswitch failsafe
The take up motor stopped at about an hour into the print and the wieght og the film going staight down held the failsafe up so it didn't shut down
It wasn't a pretty sight comeing back upstairs to find that mess half the print on the floor
We put a 6000' 70mm reel on the upper spindle and then wound the film back up since that was the reverse to action of it pileing up and got the print ready to show again with only a bit of dirt an hour later
After that the theatre actually fixed the surveilance camera system that had been on the fritz for about as month

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
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 - posted 11-27-1999 03:53 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Boy have you all got me beat! The best I can come up with is a misthread in my youth...It was _BACK ROADS_ starring Sally Fields, I caought it after the show started (there were cue rollers where the UPPER fire valves used to be and I went on the wrong side of them and tried to rethread them with the film running (this is long before polyester besmirched the projection booths) and in the process of rethreading the rollers....<SNAP>. Other than the break, no damage.

Steve

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