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Cory Isemann
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Emma, I called and complained to the NCC or whatever they call it and asked why the starts were 3-4 minutes late. They told me that it was supposed to be that way while they had the "Thanks and Giving" ad running. The start time began before the ad, so it would have been the same running time as with rolling stock.

Does this explanation make sense? Reading back over it I don't know if it does!

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Chris Brown
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Cory I know what you mean. It was during that period where the thing was running over so much. We called too, and they said that they supposedly sent an email to us about it telling us that it would do that. It was annoying, until we got used to it. I was glad when we got rid of that Thanks and Giving PSA though.

Monte: thanks for the tips! Actually the main thing I worry about is that I'm doing my certification down here at school at another REG theatre, and I'm going to have to learn how to use Christies to do it. My theatre at home is all Simplex. Long story short, our certifier at home hasnt been up to do certifications in almost 2 years, and since our DM, like I said, isnt a booth guy, we still cant get him to come down. But thankfully down here at school there is a certifier at the theatre here, thus why I'm getting it done down here. I could probably easily get through level 4 with Simplex, but its going to be a bit more difficult this way unfortunately. Good learning experience I suppose though. Thanks again Monte!

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Chris Brown
going to have to learn how to use Christies to do it
..you'll like the Christies, for they are such a more simpler machine to work with than the Simplexes. P35GPS are so easy to thread, and you might even learn how to do belt changes, Ultramittent changeouts, and shutter timings on the P35's. Plus, you'll notice....NO OIL LEAKS! No drips around the machine, nor on the floor in front. Just CLEAN!

Even changing bulbs in a SLC console is nothing compared to a Strong console - no leads to worry about dangling from the ends of the bulbs. Just screw them in, attach the positive lead from the igniter and there you have it.

You should breeze through the Christie certifications.

Good luck and congrats when you get your certification levels that you attain.

-thx Monte

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Emma Tomiak
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Yeah, I got the email about it, but it's still pretty annoying. I hope we don't have another PSA coming up any time soon!

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Chris Brown
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Good to know Monte, thanks! I wont worry so much now. Having no oil leaks one the floor will be a nice change. Thanks for the tips!

Emma, I'm with you on the PSA's. Actually I didnt mind the Tommy Lee Jones one we had last summer (within a few weeks I was reciting it verbatim with him!), but this one was quite annoying. The 3 or 4 minutes definitely screwed me up a little at first.

I'm guessing we wont have another one till May or so though...probably another WRI.

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John Pytlak
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If everyone is syncronized to the "real" time, it shouldn't be a problem. Fortunately, battery operated "Atomic Clocks" that are syncronized to the NIST time signal from Boulder CO (WWV) have come down in price, and can be purchased for not much more than a regular clock:

http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/

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The division broadcasts standard time and frequency signals using radio, Internet, and telephone links. These signals synchronize millions of clocks every day.


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John Hawkinson
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John,

Most such WWV clocks, marketed as "Atomic Clocks" or "Moonphase clocks," have absolutely abysmal reception inside most buildings not near windows. I would expect very few theatres would have any luck with them. I know 4 or 5 people who have tried them in their home or their workplace, and only one or two of them have succeeded in making them syncronize, usually by placing them near an outside window.

--jhawk

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Paul Mayer
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A simple long-wire antenna on the roof will fix any WWV reception problem. Rooftop GPS antennas are cheap and easy to do too.

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John Hawkinson
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Mumble mumble 50 ohms, etc., etc. I did make an attempt to try to get one to work that way to no avail. Perhaps I was missing something, but mostly I think those clocks are just cheap junk.

GPS clocks are a whole different animal, but I consider them outside consumer price range.

--jhawk

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Randy Stankey
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Since the transmitter is in Colorado and you are in Massachusetts it will be quite a lot harder to get a good signal than somebody in Texas. Yes, I have some difficulty in getting my 5 atomic clocks to receive the signal.

They work best late at night between, say, midnite and 3:00 AM. (Ionosphere is better.) It also helps if you point them directly at Ft. Collins, CO or if you can't figure that out at least point them due west. (If you are in Mass.)

Sometimes when the weather is good I have had my atomic clocks "catch" the time in a matter of minutes. Sometimes it takes a very long time. Hours. If you keep trying you SHOULD be able to make it catch.

However, I do agree with you. Some places are just too far away from the transmitter or are in a bad receiving area. If that's the case, atomic clocks are useless.

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John Pytlak
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At least in Rochester, my atomic clock works fine at home. I double check it with the audio from WWV, and it is right on time. I think they actually work on a very low frequency which penetrates buildings well, rather than shortwave.

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Paul Mayer
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WWV transmits within the HF band on 2.5, 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz. The IRIG time code used by these "atomic" clocks rides on a 100 Hz subcarrier which is transmitted on all of these frequencies. Yes, propagation at these frequencies is affected by atmospherics, time of day, and solar activity. That's why WWV transmits on so many freqs--to provide some redundancy.

A simple horizontal long-wire "clothesline" antenna, roughly oriented for best pull from Colorado, will work well enough to bring a shortwave signal into a shielded building. Longer is better, 50' or more--should be no problem on the roof of a theater building. No need to worry about impedances or calculating 1/x antenna lengths or anything fancy--you're not transmitting. Just solder an insulated lead to one end of the antenna and run it into your booth. Get the end of the lead close and parallel to the clock's antenna (like directly behind the clock if it's hung on a wall). That should provide enough coupling to get the clock receiver to see the subcarrier. Inelegant but simple.

73's from former Technician Plus N7FJF (Funny Japanese Flyer) [Smile]

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William Hooper
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Welcome to the world of living by the clock.

It doesn't solve the booth clock problem, but you should get a watch that keeps very good time & check it often against some broadcast source that every hour hits network news at the top of the hour (CBS radio network top of the hour news even has a little "bong" tone at :00). You'll at least be able to keep youself on time, & be able to check a booth clock.

It doesn't have to be an expensive watch, but its accuracy may be anywhere & it's sort of luck of the draw. I have a very inexpensive stainless steel (battery) pocket watch that I bought in a hurry at Wal-Mart when I busted my last nice one, & this thing loses 1 second a year. I am in awe of it. I love it. I take it everywhere. All my "nice" watches are wound down or run down in a trunk at home, & I haven't had them out in 7 years or so.

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John Pytlak
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AFAIK, most consumer "Atomic Clocks" use WWVB, broadcasting on 60 kHz.:

http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/wwvb.htm

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NIST radio station WWVB is located on the same site as WWV near Fort Collins, Colorado. The WWVB broadcasts are used by millions of people throughout North America to synchronize consumer electronic products like wall clocks, clock radios, and wristwatches. In addition, WWVB is used for high level applications such as network time synchronization and frequency calibrations.

Signal Description
WWVB continuously broadcasts time and frequency signals at 60 kHz. The carrier frequency provides a stable frequency reference traceable to the national standard. There are no voice announcements on the station, but a time code is synchronized with the 60 kHz carrier and is broadcast continuously at a rate of 1 bit per second using pulse width modulation. The carrier power is reduced and restored to produce the time code bits. The carrier power is reduced 10 dB at the start of each second, so that the leading edge of every negative going pulse is on time. Full power is restored 0.2 s later for a binary “0”, 0.5 s later for a binary “1”, or 0.8 s later to convey a position marker. The binary coded decimal (BCD) format is used so that binary digits are combined to represent decimal numbers.

The time code contains the year, day of year, hour, minute, second, and flags that indicate the status of Daylight Saving Time, leap years, and leap seconds. For more details, view the WWVB time code format.

WWVB identifies itself by advancing its carrier phase 45° at 10 minutes after the hour and returning to normal phase at 15 minutes after the hour. If you plot WWVB phase, this results in a phase step of approximately 2.08 microseconds.

Antenna and Transmitters
WWVB uses two identical antennas that were originally constructed in 1962, and refurbished in 1999. The north antenna was originally built for the WWVL 20 kHz broadcast (discontinued in 1972), and the south antenna was built for the WWVB 60 kHz broadcast. The antennas are spaced 857 m apart. Each antenna is a top loaded monopole consisting of four 122-m towers arranged in a diamond shape. A system of cables, often called a capacitance hat or top hat, is suspended between the four towers. This top hat is electrically isolated from the towers, and is electrically connected to a downlead suspended from the center of the top hat. The downlead serves as the radiating element.

Ideally, an efficient antenna system requires a radiating element that is at least one-quarter wavelength long. At 60 kHz, this becomes difficult. The wavelength is 5000 m, so a one-quarter wavelength antenna would be 1250 m tall, or about 10 times the height of the WWVB antenna towers. As a compromise, some of the missing length was added horizontally to the top hats of this vertical dipole, and the downlead of each antenna is terminated at its own helix house under the top hats. Each helix house contains a large inductor to cancel the capacitance of the short antenna and a variometer (variable inductor) to tune the antenna system. Energy is fed from the transmitters to the helix houses using underground cables housed in two concrete trenches. Each trench is about 435 m long.

A computer is used to automatically tune the antennas during icy and/or windy conditions. This automatic tuning provides a dynamic match between the transmitter and the antenna system. The computer looks for a phase difference between voltage and current at the transmitter. If one is detected, an error signal is sent to a 3-phase motor in the helix house that rotates the rotor inside the variometer. This retunes the antenna and restores the match between the antenna and transmitter.

There are three transmitters at the WWVB site. Two are in constant operation and one serves as a standby transmitter that is activated if one of the primary transmitters fail. Each transmitter consists of two identical power amplifiers which are combined to produce the greatly amplified signal sent to the antenna. One transmitter delivering an amplified time code signal into the north antenna system, and one transmitter feeds the south antenna system. The time code is fed to a console where it passes through a control system and then is delivered to the transmitters.

Using two transmitters and two antennas allows the station to be more efficient. As mentioned earlier, the WWVB antennas are physically much smaller than one quarter wavelength. As the length of a vertical radiator becomes shorter compared to wavelength, the efficiency of the antenna goes down. In other words, it requires more and more transmitter power to increase the effective radiated power. The north antenna system at WWVB has an efficiency of about 50.6%, and the south antenna has an efficiency of about 57.5%. However, the combined efficiency of the two antennas is about 65%. As a result, each transmitter only has to produce a forward power of about 38 kW for WWVB to produce its effective radiated power of 50 kW.

Performance
The frequency uncertainty of the WWVB signal as transmitted is less than 1 part in 1012. If the path delay is removed, WWVB can provide UTC with an uncertainty of less than 100 microseconds. The variations in path delay are minor compared to those of WWV and WWVH. When proper receiving and averaging techniques are used, the uncertainty of the received signal should be nearly as small as the uncertainty of the transmitted signal.



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Mark J. Marshall
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I used to have a Timex "BeepWear Pro" watch that functioned as a Skytel pager, and it received its time from the skytel network. Somehow, it even figured out the timezone I was in. It always had a little "NYC" on it when I was in my home area. When I flew out to Hawaii, I had a transfer in San Francisco. I got off the plane in SF, and it had the correct pacific coast time, and it said "LAX". I looked at it after the plane had landed in Hawaii and it had updated itself again and said "HNL". Once I was in Chicago, and it said "CHI". It was using something they called FlexTime. Way freakin cool!

Unfortunately, that watch was stolen and they don't make them anymore. Now I'm stuck with a plain old time signal watch. Boring. [Frown]

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