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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 12-15-1999 01:33 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There was a theatre I helped set up a few years back where the sound rack was on the operators' side like normal, and the platter was BEHIND that, simply because there was no other place to put them, as the booth was too narrow. So we threaded the platter with the film going between the soundrack and the wall and back again. Pain in the anus and nobody liked it, but it worked.

Personally, I just prefer them on the left. I am never in any super hurry to get the show threaded that a couple of seconds will make any difference.

You CAN speedwind no matter how the cabling is set up. We have a threatre that was set up with the cables going striaght to the wall (the projectionist changed that, eventually). Just thread and bypass the wires. You are speed winding, so there is no need to thread the projector. It doesn't matter. When you thread the projector just thread UNDER the wires and then pull the leader down when you get to the projector.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-15-1999 02:17 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe, I was referring to speed winding after the film has already been started...say after a power outage to reset the film. In the case of mag or digital cabling being wired straight to the front wall, you would have to cut the film to do what you're saying. Your trick only works if you want to speed wind a film without ever threading the projector...but that can be done completely on the platter.

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John Wilson
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 - posted 12-17-1999 05:00 PM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The platter (for me) will ALWAYS go to the right of the projector if at all possible. That way, you can see the lot without any effort at all.

The sound rack never needs to be touched once it's on, so it can go to the left, so long as you can still see the dobly dig error rate readout from the machine.

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Scott Ribbens
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 - posted 12-18-1999 12:41 AM      Profile for Scott Ribbens   Email Scott Ribbens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sorry John, but I must agree to disagree with you about the soundrack never having to be touched once it is on. Yes, that may be true for the most part, normal running, but if you are doing a screening,or for some other reason are running the show manualy, you have to punch up the format, fade the non-sync out, switch the mic off, cut the processor off at the end of the show, or if you have a show break on you and you start the show back up on the automation and open up everything up manualy so that the audiance doesn't miss an additional 7 to 10 seconds of the show, you cannot beat having all the controls right by you.

It also helps when trouble shooting some sound problems if you can stick your head out the port and listen in the theatre while you are switching formats or whatever else you are doing. Not to mention if you are resetting the SPL's in the theatre and you don't have a radio and have another person in the theatre with the meter, you can actually see that person while adjusting the levels, rather than looking out the view port or projection port, then moving over to the rack to make a small adjustment then going back to the port ect., ect..

There are some theatres that I work at where they have the sound processors for two theatres in one rack, it's bad enough that the rack is on the non operator side of the first machine, but that also puts the sound rack for the second theatre on the non operator side, so it goes: sound rack / projector / platter / platter / projector. Makes it a pain to do an A-Chain on the second machine as the sound rack is about 40 feet away from the projector, and to make matters worse, the sound rack faces the back of the booth, so even if you can get a sight line to the rack past both projectors and platters, you can't see the darn processor, only the side of the rack!

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-18-1999 04:18 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
There is one good point about placing platters on the right side that no one has pointed out yet...that's running 70mm. If for whatever reason the operator has to stop the projector, having the platter on the right side allows him/her to stop the takeup platter by hand before the inertia from the weight of the film slams the takeup arm/elevator to the end of it's travel...damaging the film.

Still, if set up properly, there is NO reason why the sound rack and platter can be on the operator side of the projector.

So Scott, what's up with having TWO auditoriums worth of sound equipment in one rack???

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Scott Ribbens
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 - posted 12-18-1999 01:04 PM      Profile for Scott Ribbens   Email Scott Ribbens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I did not set that one up Brad, but there is a lack of room in that booth, so the rack got put in the corner of the booth and the sound systems for both theatres in that booth (two CP-50's / 4 QSC 1400's / cd player /and music distribution system for the complex) got put in the corner of the room. There is just enough room to get between the platters/projectors.

BTW, I can see the pros to having the platter on the operator side of the projector. If I had a platter that was a pain in the butt, and malfunctionig a lot, I might want it on the operator side. I just have never had platter problems that make me want to change my mind on this.

Now here is a question for you all. If you had a Theatre that was not designed as stadium seating, then they decided to go that route at some time during construction, making you have to raise all of the ports 4 to 6 feet because now you can stand up in the back row and completely block the port. Now the projectors have to be raised, but the company dose not want to raise the whole floor, nor do they want to spend any extra money that they don't have to and only build platforms for the projectors and not the platters. Now you have stairs on both sides of the projector and the platters and the sound racks are on the floor 4 to 6 feet lower than the projectors. Do you want the platter on the operator or non operator side of the projector?

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 12-18-1999 04:03 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Like everyone else here, I have had to deal with platters on both sides of the projector at one time or another.

Heck during the 80s where twining reached new stupidity levels I had to convert a back-to-back twin to a 4-plex (each large auditorium was twined). Since the booth wasn't enlarged for this process I used Christie AW-35R (the first removables on a Christie 5-deck, I might add) so two theatres have the platter on the left, and two have it on the right. And to the soundracks...There are two theatre's worth of sound in the rack (the other two have Kelmar wall-mount mono sounds...it was the early/mid 80s where not all theatres were stereo).

As an operator, I always preferred having the platter (when I worked platter booths) on the right. It puts the film where the operator needs it. The soundrack is nice if it is close by for tuning...but if it isn't then there are always remotes for the better processors (ie Dolby) so the operator has full control over the volume and format. I now insist on remotes on new changeover installs to allow format changes on changeover.

Now if you have your typical "to be run by idiots" both, on the non-op side the platter goes...if the "operator" doesn't step on the film, the passers by (candy girl, manager...etc) to get a peak at the film will. A booth that gets good operators tends to guard against that sort of thing.

Steve

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Stephen Jones
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 - posted 12-18-1999 07:56 PM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I prefer the platter to be on the operating side of the projector for the same reason as others have mentioned.I have also used platters on the left side which I dont like as I like to be able to keep an eye on the film on start up especially if it has smaller than normal center after ads/trls have been put in.

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George Roher
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 - posted 12-18-1999 11:12 PM      Profile for George Roher   Email George Roher   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One thing I don't like is when a pair of platters are "sandwiched" together to save space in a tiny booth, meaning one is propped up on wooden blocks and the decks overlap each other. In one booth I've worked, the decks overlap so much that there's barely room to get your hand in there to thread the center feed.

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John Wilson
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 - posted 12-19-1999 01:16 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
(cut)but if you are doing a screening,or for some other reason are running the show manualy, you have to punch up the format, fade the non-sync out, switch the mic off, cut the processor off at the end of the show, or if you have a show break on you and you start the show back up on the automation and open up everything up manualy so that the audiance doesn't miss an additional 7 to 10 seconds of the show, you cannot beat having all the controls right by you.

Hi Scott,

My automation has manual overides for all of those functions you mention and the console is right in front of me beside the projector. I know not all of us are fortunate enough to have these luxuries, but that's the way I design my booths. I've never had any reason to stick my head out the porthole, but I could do that anyway 'cos I stick a porthole beside the rack as well.

Everything at arms (well, two arms, anyway) length.


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