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Christopher Seo
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posted 12-23-1999 10:33 PM

Woah... this is the first I've even *heard* that some TS2 prints were in dye transfer! What's the point of making 'em if you don't publicize 'em?? Especially if you only make some of them dye transfer and distribute them in an apparently random fashion. Is 'IB Tech' no longer a preferred term?

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Brad Miller
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posted 12-23-1999 10:47 PM

No, the process is a bit different and "IB Tech" is no longer considered a valid term for current prints. Perhaps if someone from Technicolor labs is lurking they will post a detailed description.

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Scott Norwood
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posted 12-24-1999 10:20 AM

My understanding is that "IB Tech" is really just film collector and projectionist slang for the process which has always been officially called "dye transfer printing." The Technicolor lab has always used "dye-transfer" when referring to these prints.

I don't understand the new process fully (I have a reel of the 1998 reissue of GWTW which is quite dreadful...on the other hand, the new dye print of "Wizard of Oz" that I saw at the Uptown in DC was eye-poppingly beautiful, if a bit grainy), but I can recommend the book "Technicolor Movies" by Richard Haines for some excellent information on the "old" process (both single-strip and three-strip). This book was published in 1993; I don't know if it's still available/in print, but a good library should have a copy.

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Scott Ribbens
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posted 12-24-1999 06:15 PM

FYI, The "IB" in "IB Tech" stood for a process call Imbibition printing, and of course the "Tech" stood for Technicolor. I think that the combination of the two probably just evolved. The Technicolor process uses Imbibition printing.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 12-28-1999 05:03 PM

We got one of those dye-transfer prints. Purely by accident, I'm sure. The heads & tails of it are "regular release" type, but the print body is dye-transfer. Obviousely somebody goofed the leaders up.

We got the "new" reel 5, unfortunately it's the "regular" type, so there is definitely a noticeable color difference between R4 and R5. The print as a whole is in great shape though....the dye transfer reels look great on screen. And of course, we've had no complaints from anyone about the color change. I'm just glad it isn't scratched up.

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Brad Miller
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posted 12-28-1999 05:13 PM

Mike,

1-800-99-FILMS Call 'em! That's what they're there for. There is simply no excuse for treating your audiences with 4 reels of dye transfer and then finishing with a regular print. I wonder how many other theaters have this error on screen.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 01-05-2000 07:23 PM

I'd bet "a lot" of other theatres have this error. I called, and of course got a techno-geek who had NO idea what I was talking about. I finally esplained to him about how the soundtracks areas are all b&w and that's how you can tell the difference, etc etc etc . He basically said there must not be any dye transfer prints of the new reel 5 at least he didn't have any "in his system." Whatever that means.

For what it's worth, this was EXACTLY the kind of response I was anticipating.

Also FWIW, the new reel 5 looks very good and unless a person is really doing a careful comparison, I don't think anyone could tell because there's quite a difference in the localities that are shown. Like, you see Andy's room at the end, but it's been so long since you've seen that location, you don't notice the difference in colors. As far as the characters themselves, the action in that reel is so breakneck that it's hard for even me to notice the difference, and I've watched the thing about 12 times.

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Randy Stankey
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posted 01-06-2000 07:13 PM

We FG'ed all 3 prints right away. They all run great. They are as quiet as a mouse. Ya' couldn't tell the projector's running if it wasn't for the sound of the motor!

All 3 of our new reels were regular prints. Thing is, that I'm the only one who probably even noticed. They DO look good in 'technicolor' except for those crummy credits.

I'm trying to step up the FilmGuard 'program' here in Erie, PA. Trying to get more Kelmar cleaners. Mgt. is only going to buy me ONE more. I have an Ultra-Star 75mm lens and a matching .65x Zoom Teleconverter. (Used but, except for a little dust, still in almost new condition) If anybody's willing to do a little 'horse trading', I'm game.

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Tim Reed
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posted 01-08-2000 02:23 PM

I'm sure in the dark on this one. How long's this (dye-xnsfr) been going on? I remember reading in the 70s, about the last IB printer being shipped off to China.

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Brad Miller
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posted 01-08-2000 09:54 PM

Technicolor started playing around with it on such older reissues a few years back as "Giant". Select prints of "Wizard of Oz", "Bulworth" and a couple more were also made. It wasn't until "13th Warrior" that they really knocked the bugs out of it. The print I ran of "13th Warrior" was nothing short of incredible! Recently a couple hundred prints of "Toy Story 2" and "Any Given Sunday" were dye transfer printed. The only problem with the "Toy Story 2" prints are the new reel 5s were NOT printed in dye transfer!!! If I would've been lucky enough to have one, I would've made an ultrasonic splice at the fade out to credits and spliced on the new credits in plain 'ol bland whatever-you-call-it printing. This would've preserved the dye transfer image throughout the feature.

Kudos goes to the team at Technicolor labs who is handling these dye transfer prints!!!

NOTE: "Apt Pupil" was never released in dye transfer, despite what the newsgroups say.

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Scott Norwood
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posted 01-08-2000 10:55 PM

Hey, Brad -- you left out the hopelessly botched "Gone With the Wind" reissue in "new" IB Tech. I have a reel 13 from this and it's absolutely horrible. It runs through Century projectors OK, but when I ran it on an X-L, the shedding was so bad that the gate looked like it had been sitting outside in a snowstorm.

On the other hand, I saw one of the "Oz" IB Tech prints at the Uptown in DC. The word "wow!" does not adequately describe the experience.

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Brad Miller
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posted 01-09-2000 01:45 AM

Come on Scott. You should know better than to try and run a film without FilmGuard!

You are correct though. There were 50 full frame 1.33 dye transfer prints of "Oz". It still seems like I'm missing a title or two.

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Aaron Sisemore
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posted 01-09-2000 02:16 AM

Brad said:

"NOTE: "Apt Pupil" was never released in dye transfer, despite what the newsgroups say."

Wrong. I have personally handled a dye transfer print of "Apt Pupil". Black and white SDDS and optical tracks,occasional red and green splotching like GWTW had, extra-super shedding and all... And though they are notoriously wrong in their label printing the 'green' TES label on the cans did say "IB DYE" on them...

Aaron

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Brad Miller
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posted 01-09-2000 02:37 AM

You absolutely certain about that? I once spoke to a fellow at Technicolor and he said there were zero dye transfer prints made on that title, but that for some reason the newsgroup claimed there were.

Oh yes, select prints of Godzilla were in dye transfer as well.

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Aaron Sisemore
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posted 01-10-2000 02:16 AM

Absolutely.

the B/W SDDS and optical tracks were a dead giveavay...

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