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Mark Ogden
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From: Little Falls, N.J.
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 02-02-2000 08:20 PM      Profile for Mark Ogden   Email Mark Ogden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To answer Tim's question, "Battlestar Galactica" was indeed a Sensurround film, a re-edit of the TV series to a feature. It seems to have been the last one. We set up one theater in our chain, the Shop City Cinema, (now a Blockbuster, fer chrissakes)for the system, and when Battlestar shipped out, the subs stayed. Nobody had any instructions on what to do with them, so all of the exterior wiring we ran stayed along with the subs behind the ground row at the front of the house, and it all remained until the place went dark years later.

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timothy johnson
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mark, how was the sound on battlestar ? I would like to have seen it that way. I would love to have a senssurround print for my collection, even if it was faded. Oh well. Iloved Battlestar as kid, every sunday night I would fight to watch it on the color tv set instead of the black and white 13 inch. My grandma wanted to watch 60 minutes. I still like seeing re-runs, as hokey as the show is.

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Mark Ogden
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To reply to your question, Tim, the Sensurround effect on Battlestar Gallactica was unimpressive. The effect was only on (as I recall) with shots of the fleet of ships crusing thru space, the same shot I had seen a buncha times on TV. There wasn't much to it at all. I guess Universal felt they had to add a few sfx cues to the track to get people into the theater to see what was after all a recut of the TV show.

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Chris Trainor
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Speaking of Sensurround, if anyone knows of where I could get a processor on the cheap please let me know.

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Greg Anderson
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I remember seeing BATTLESTAR GALACTICA in a theatre in Sensurround. This was a couple of years after I saw MIDWAY in Sensurround (at a different theatre in a different State). I thought the Sensurround effect in MIDWAY was just overpowering during the first half of the movie because it only came in short, powerful bursts. During the second half, when the action was more continuous, the Sensurround effect simply fit better and I really enjoyed it.

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was a different story. Mark Ogden is correct. The Sensurround moments were only used during the space scenes and, usually, that was only a smattering of wide-angle, "establishing shots" of the large ships in space (these shots were little more than bumpers between more dialog scenes).

I don't mean to change the subject, but I found the most impressive thing about the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA theatrical release was the change in aspect ratio from TV. Even the computer monitors and gizmos in the movie were wide, as if this thing had always been intended for a theatrical release. I was not an expert on aspect ratios when I saw that movie so I can't remember if it was flat or 'scope, but I tend to think it was 'scope.

I'm only aware of one other television show which was shot in 'scope (and this time I know it really was 'scope). The pilot for LOIS AND CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN was shot in 2.35 so that its producers had the option of releasing it theatrically overseas... just in case the TV show failed and they needed to recover their losses. NOW I wish someone would release that in a letterbox, video edition. In fact, lots of network TV shows today are shot in Super 35 and a 16 x 9 aspect ratio. (I work for one of them!) But they make sure the center portion can be shown in good, old 1.33 NTSC for the majority of viewers. I wish they'd offer us the chance to see the most popular shows at, say, 2:00 in the morning in letterboxed broadcasts to that we who don't have HDTV could see a little more of what we're missing!

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David Kilderry
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At the time I remember being more impressed with Battlestar Galactica in Sensuround than I was with Star Wars in 70mm (talking sound only).

The most impressive effect was when the fighters were launched from Galactica, my friends and I were shaken to pieces every time this happened.

In 1986 I helped pull this theatre (Village East End One)down and it still contained all the MCA Universal control boxes, instructions etc. We still have a couple of "W" bins in storage.

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John Wilson
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<<I was not an expert on aspect ratios when I saw that movie so I can't remember if it was flat or 'scope, but I tend to think it was 'scope.>>

All the Galactica films were flat.

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Ian Price
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In the States, Battlestar Galactica was only on television!??

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Aaron Sisemore
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Ian Said:
"In the States, Battlestar Galactica was only on television!??"

Shortly after the TV show was out there was at least one theatrical film of BG out there- I remember seeing it when I was a kid at Coddingtown...

Aaron

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David Kilderry
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Two Galactica films were released in Australia, in addition to the TV show running at the time. The second release was "Mission Galactica - The Cylon Attack" it was not in sensurround. I heard it in Eparad Starlet with surrounds mounted in the ceiling!

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Martin Frandsen
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On imdb.com i only found 9 titels listed as in 'SENSURROUND' are there not released anymore than that? the last film to be presented in 'SENSURROUND' is a titel from 1998??? called 'Escape from dino island' i've never heard of that titel before anyone?

My favorite 'SENSURROUND' films are:

Earthquake (1974) Midway (1976) Battlestar Galactica (1978) Rollercoaster (1977)

Martin

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John Walsh
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I wouldn't trust the IMDb too much. As I noted above, it says that "The Jetsons" was in Sensurround.

I'm not really putting down the IMDb. It's a huge database, requiring input from all kinds of people with different levels of techinal knowledge. Some mistakes are bound to happen.

Does anyone have the data on the control tones (or whatever) were used to switch Sensurround effects on?

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Does anyone here know anything about ZOOT SUIT being in Sensurround. I remember reading ads for this at the Cinerama Dome in Sensurround. It might even have been something called Sunsurround Plus, that involved lighting somehow. I don't know the details, and I don't think it played anywhere else. Any information out there?

Mark Lensenmayer

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Greg Anderson
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As I recall, the only films ever released in Sensurround were from Universal, which also owned the Sensurround technology (or owned the company which made the stuff... or they made it themselves... or something like that). Even when Dolby Stereo took hold, Universal still tried to push Sensurround. Later, when Dolby Digital looked like it would have a lock on the Digital sound market, Universal introduced its own solution with DTS (and I'm sure someone else can look up the corporate links between DTS and Universal. There are links). Lucky for us, DTS turned out to be a much better idea than Sensurround.

Back in the early 80s, when I thought 4-track magnetic was dead on 35mm, Universal presented SCARFACE and THE BEST LITTLE WHOREHOUSE IN TEXAS in Los Angeles in 4-track magnetic. There were never any optical, stereo prints of those films! Again, it seemed like Universal had a thing about rejecting Dolby when the rest of the studios had no problem with Dolby.

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Bill Purdy
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"Whorehouse" did have some release in 4 track mag. I was doing a lot of free-lance work in those days including quite a bit for Universal and put it into a couple of houses in the northwest. Curiously enough, there was no surround track . Also, the man then in charge of such thing (now deceased) Watty Watson told me every time he got the chance that he had no use for Dolby stereo at all. It may well have been the "not invented here" syndrome which is so rampant in "Hollywood".

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Bill Purdy
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