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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 02-08-2000 11:09 AM

Making up the new trailer pack on a smaller ring, and inserting/splicing it inside the feature roll seems to be the best option, with the least risk of film damage or show interruption. Does anyone have specific information (manufacturers, dealers, stock numbers, price) on where to purchase various sized rings for the different platter makes?

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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1714
From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-08-2000 05:49 PM

Contact:

Randall G. Urlick
Goldberg Brothers, Inc.
8000 East 40th Avenue
Denver, CO 80207

Tel. 303.321.1099
Fax. 303.388.0749

Or contact your local cinema dealer.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 02-08-2000 06:15 PM

Strong's 19" center ring documentation is available for download here on the site and should have the part number. Christie also makes a large center ring, but I don't have the number. (Perhaps Bevan will post it.)

I always just do center drops of trailers, but using the larger center rings is a pretty foolproof method.

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-09-2000 01:38 AM

At TT-17 we 'drop' our trailers in...

Goldberg Bros. makes a reel that has a collapsable center. (Kinda' like the platter ring of a Potts/Strong.) You just make up a trailer pak with leader and everything, pull out the old trailers and drop the new ones in.

It actually took me a while to learn how to do it other ways 'cuz when I was first trailed I thought that was how it was supposed to be done! It wasn't till I started at M.H. College that I had to learn how to do changes without the reels.

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David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

Posts: 355
From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 02-09-2000 06:43 AM

I'm very interested that nobody knows of the film spinner used extensivly here in Australia. You place it in the centre of the film, remove the ring, and spin the film in onto the spinner, it then attaches to the winders on the bench and acts like a reel. You can make up ads and trailers right onto it and then put the centre back in. A tension release pin enables the spinner to be removed.

Multiplexes here have used them for over 10 years. With up to 20 mins of ads and trailers running and changed every week, there is no other way. Many locations do these changes whilst the film is running, it is safe with one hour of film run through.

These units were designed and manufactured locally. Every other way is slow in comparison.

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George Roher
Master Film Handler

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From: Washington DC
Registered: Jul 99

posted 02-09-2000 01:44 PM

That film spinner sounds like a great idea. Usually, when I'm just doing a regular trailer change (one off, one on) with a Strong, I collapse the ring and spin it until I wind down to the trailer I'm removing. This only takes 15 seconds. After I yank out the old trailer, I put the ring on another deck to splice and wind on the new trailer. Then I place the ring back in the film roll and it fits without any inward bulge and I don't have babysit it when it runs through. The film spinner sounds like a similar concept but much more versatile.

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Andrew D'Vrey
Film Handler

Posts: 92
From: St. Paul, MN USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 02-11-2000 01:15 AM

I've only worked with Strong platters once. And that was only for a little while. We never really changed trailers out at that place either...only removed old ones. To remove I'd just thread up the projector to the specific trailer, break the film, and spew the old trailer onto the floor, then resplice.

I don't know what I would do if I couldn't double stack film like I do on my Christies. To me the problem with Strong platters is the film-level outter rollers of the brain. Anyone who's seen or uses most Christie platters knows they have large vertical pegs. Tho I've never run 70mm, I'm assuming that's what they're there for.

Has anyone with Strong platters ever tried putting something over the outter rollers that extends their height and double layering film? Would that even work? Can't picture the Strong brain very well anymore.

The 19-inch ring sounds like the best and most sound solution for Strongs. But I also know there are a lot of cheap owners and theater chains out there who expect their projectionists to make due.

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Robb Johnston
Expert Film Handler

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From: St. Louis Suburbs
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-12-2000 01:39 AM

If you have the time to babysit them, a Strong can handle a certain amount of doubling up of film. One of the complexes I used to work at was a two building facility which translates to a few moves between buildings during any given week.

During the run of the film Armageddon (running time 2:40 or so) it was moved to the back building and it started to come apart. Fortunately it was clamped, but we had not yet recieved the 3 hour clamps, and I had not yet read the article her on this site for moving long prints.

The print was largely in two sections and the best I could do was have the early section (Trailer pack and first reel and a half) partially sitting up on the later section. I stood there for the 40 minutes or so until it had dropped down to the normal level and the most I had to do was hold my finger to the top of the first post clockwise from the feed arm. After about five minutes though it dropped down on it's own without any help.

fortunately there was little if any damage to the print.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 02-12-2000 03:04 AM

I was able to change out a bad reel #1 on a STRONG platter once (without breaking the rest of the film down first). The reel fit nicely and was flush in the center, but the trailer pack dipped out and about the new reel 1. It works, and doesn't scratch. Once when the power went out for several hours (with STRONG platters) we just took whatever part of the movie had already played (sometimes more than an hour's worth), picked it up, flipped it around to get rid of the twist, and laid it back down in the middle of the rest of the print, usually with one end popping up over the last half of the print. We did not make any cuts in the film. They ran well.

Christies can do this even better. You can literally have 2 prints stacked on top of each other and they will play fine, just as long as the one on top is the shorter movie.

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Johanna Innes
Film Handler

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From: Formerly of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-12-2000 12:57 PM

I've been thinking about the possibility of doing something to a Strong so that it could handle higher stacks of film. The older strong we're running has brains that don't come out (except to change to 70mm). So I'm thinking you'd have to mount more rollers on top of the last set the film goes through before it spools out to the tower and then to the projector. But the thing is that the swingarm and the roller right under it are exactly flush with the surface of the platter, so running the film to a roller way up high (like in a christie) would put a crazy bend in it.

Now the other strongs we're running have the removable brains. Do they make different brains for these things? Like maybe ones with the big, high christie-type rollers? Let's assume such a thing doesn't exist. Could I not just take one of the regular brains, take off the arm and rollers and put them back on after mounting them on some kind of riser? I guess I'd want to tilt the whole works to make the film take up better.

Maybe I'll just throw the whole works out and ask for Christies.

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-12-2000 01:33 PM

There is a company in Alberta called Nepps that invented the spinner back int the early 90's as well as a bunch of adapters for different platters
I don't know if they are still around but I believe they were in Calgary

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