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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-27-2000 02:03 PM

With cement splices (which don't work on ESTAR-base stocks), you're supposed to use a different type of splicer for scope; the idea is that the CinemaScope splicer would have smaller registration pins (to accommodeate square perfs on mag-striped 35mm film) and a narrower overlap (to be less noticeable on screen). With tape splices, this isn't an issue, since there's no overlap (though the pins might still need to be smaller for mag); just make sure not to use the kind of "zebra" tape that makes a big "H" to mark the splice--the line across the frameline is almost always visible in scope.

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Martin Frandsen
Master Film Handler

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From: Denmark, Europe
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-27-2000 02:23 PM

If i remember correctly Mr. Harris works with a CIR 70mm splicer during the film-restoration of 'My Fair Lady' can be seen if you have the laserdisc of the film which has a program about the restoration at the end

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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999

posted 03-02-2000 11:21 PM

OK Guys. Here goes. What is wrong with the Marble splicers? After reading the previous posts, I looked under mine and found it is made in Japan. Also, where might a boob like me get new cutting blades for one?

Mine seems to do a good job... IF i am careful to line-up the edges!

I used a Neumade this weekend that made splices that I could not feel.

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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 03-02-2000 11:46 PM

My inventory says that I am supposed to have TWO nuemade splicers... instead I have ONE Marble splicer. While it does a job, it it a pain in the beehind. The splices are not very clean and they go through the projector like rocks. Would be nice to know what happened to my Nuemades....

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Daryl Lund
Film Handler

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From: Chehalis,WA, USA
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posted 03-03-2000 12:48 AM

run a motiograph and you can use masking tape or paper clips like Tom Moyer,s projectionist did.

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Joe Redifer
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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 03-03-2000 04:13 AM

Bruce: The Neumade produced splices that you could not feel? That's awesome! I bet you couldn't even hear those run through the projector.

It really does depend what type of splicing tape you use with each splicer as well. Neumade splicers do well with Neumade tape.

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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
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posted 03-03-2000 08:15 AM

Joe:
The owner of the Neumade splicer bought it new about a year ago. When using it, he told me to just pop the film into the guides, and go to it. The holes are perfectly punched out, and there is nothing sticking out at the edge of the film.

The projector image does not move when the splice passes. They look great.

He uses Neumade tape. He gave me a roll to use with the Marble. My splices look and feel the same no matter what tape I use.

Can I get blades anywhere for my Marble? Maybe new blades will help with film edges.
Bruce

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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posted 03-03-2000 10:52 AM

Yes, The Neumades do a nice clean job, but then they are made out of pot metal, are way way to expensive, and fall apart too fast.
Mark

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Bryan Redemske
Film Handler

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From: Cedar Falls, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000

posted 03-03-2000 11:13 AM

Neumades are falling apart? ours is built like a damn tank - it's awesome. of course, some jackass stepped on it or threw it or something and busted the handle ($150), but that's it. i love it. we have a couple of other ones too, but i'll have to take a look at them. they don't see the light of day too much.

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Christopher Seo
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Jun 99

posted 03-03-2000 05:47 PM

I've only used Neumade splicers, and I've found I need to take some time to get the film to line up perfectly, but when it does, the splice remains steady on the screen and does not make a sound. My method of getting the film lined up in the splicer is to align the analog tracks; however, the film may shift around before I have a chance to tape it.

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Martin Frandsen
Master Film Handler

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From: Denmark, Europe
Registered: Jun 99

posted 03-04-2000 05:57 AM

Dear Brad, how about some pictures of all the different types of splicers avalibel, i would like to see the ultrasonic splicer, maybe with pictures of how to use it. Also some pics of the cement splicer would be nice. How does the ultrasonic work, does it use some sort of heat?

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 03-04-2000 02:43 PM

Martin:

Check out the website for the Metric Ultrasonic Splicer:
http://www.metricsplicer.com

The Model 3001 would be the one normally used by theatres.

Hollywood Film Company has also just introduced an ultrasonic splicer:
http://www.hollywoodfilmco.com/Splicer.htm

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 03-04-2000 02:45 PM

Joe will be reviewing my Metric model 3001 splicer in the coming months.

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Martin Frandsen
Master Film Handler

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From: Denmark, Europe
Registered: Jun 99

posted 03-05-2000 08:12 AM

I find the Ultrasonic splicer very expensiv around $3200 + plate. I still dont understand how it works, does it use some sort of heat source to melt the film together, or is it a chemical thing?

Taken the high price, i guess it's mostly used in labs and at first class theaters who want the best splicer around.

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 03-07-2000 01:47 AM

Martin:

As I explained in another posting, the ultrasonic splicer cuts the film so there will be a slight overlap. The overlapping ends of the film are pressed into intimate contact with an ultrasonic transducer ("horn" or "anvil") vibrating at about 50 kilohertz. The ultrasonic energy causes the molecules in the thermoplastic polyester support to vibrate, generating heat, and melting the two pieces together creating a strong weld. Although the emulsion is not usually scraped from the area being spliced, the emulsion trapped within the weld makes the splice more unsightly, and as a "contaminant" to the weld, may weaken the splice.

An ultrasonic splicer will NOT work well with nitrate or triacetate film, since they are not thermoplastics, and char rather than melt when heated.

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