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George Roher
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From: Washington DC
Registered: Jul 99


 - posted 02-26-2000 10:17 PM      Profile for George Roher   Email George Roher   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've actually had faders set as low as 3.5 at one threatre, due to complaints from senior citizens. One guy said he was gonna sue the theatre if our loud sound busted his hearing aid and I had to turn down sound that was already very low (in my opinion). I guess his hearing aid was set on 7.


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Patrick S. Chaffins
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From: Mount Clemens, Michigan, USA
Registered: Feb 2000


 - posted 02-26-2000 10:57 PM      Profile for Patrick S. Chaffins   Email Patrick S. Chaffins   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Devriendt,

7 is just a "magic" number . . . The level that you play a film dependent on many factors, most of which have been covered above.

The question is, what other chnages were made when you upgraded to "Digital"? One important thing to remember is what level was it at before the upgrade. One way to check is to switch to "SR" or "A-type" and set it at the level you heard before the upgrade. Note that level, now switch to the digital playback and again check the level.

1) it shouldn't change except that the surrounds will split
2) it sould sound cleaner, a little more high end frequency response, but not louder! If the volume level does change then there is something wrong in the set-up! (However, a properly set-up "SR" system will be barely noticable in HF response change)

Now that you've got that refrence level and you digital level to match that and everybody is happy (ha,ha) then that is your "7"

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Paul Powers
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From: Marin, CA
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 - posted 02-26-2000 11:04 PM      Profile for Paul Powers     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad,

There are 11 theatres total with 49 screens. Through out the 49 screens there are some of every format I would think that the most comon is Dolby Digital. We have the only Souround EX. There are only 8 THX screen in the whole county though.
Our SDDS fader is set to 0.0 and our CP200 is ususlly set to 6 for SDDS movies. They seem to be a bit lowder. I remeber running Starship troopers SDDS. Big Booms!!
If we played that film now, after our retrofit!! It would be intence. We doubled our sub-woofers from 4 to 8!!!!!!! <hehehehe>

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-26-2000 11:45 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul,

Does your SDDS run through the CP200 or independently?

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Paul Powers
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Well I am not sure of the whole set up but I know that the SDDS is some what independant. If there is a SDDS track on the print it will play in SDDS no mater what I have the CP200 set to, but the volume is controled on the CP200, the SDDS fader does like a signal level, not a amplifier level. 0.0 on the SDDS is the "base-line"

Probubly more confusing that informative. =)

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-27-2000 11:12 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
The SDDS machine must've been patched through the JM11 and JM21 connectors on the CP200 like DTS and SRD would be. That'll let it take over the signal path, but will still provide you with the fader setting on the Dolby as well as the (in my opinion) far superior eq capabilities of the CP200. That's the only way to do it as far as I'm concerned. Consider yourself lucky.

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Stefan Scholz
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From: Schoenberg, Germany
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 - posted 02-27-2000 12:46 PM      Profile for Stefan Scholz   Author's Homepage   Email Stefan Scholz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I never changed fader setting in our theaters, 0.0 those are Pony units for all processing. With the B chains we use, we never got complaints. We are known for offering "picture and sound", something other places do not offer.
The Sony scale is a caliberated dB scale, and therefore displays the actual offset from reference level, which is the level, the system was set up with.
The Dolby "7" and the numbers do not directly show any offset to "reference", but one step is about 3-4 dB.
I have found many theatres which play at 3.5 - 4, and the sound is really too low, hardly intelligibable, but "due to customer's request".
Normally dialogue is recorded at 82 dB, 3 dB below ref., check with SPL while in theatre, well aligned sound systems reproduce about 82 dB. If sound FX are ghastly with this setting, the B chain could not handle, you'll need an afterburner, no device to crank volume levels down.
And I have always had theatre operators complain about absence of "auditorium faders", which I do not like. My old Ultra Stereo setup used to have one of theese devices, always set to 16 on the scale of 24 (2 o clock position), and was never altered.
I have a feeling, people are known to TV and video. There they can overcome dynamics with their remotes, by cranking up dialogue, and cranking down sound FX. And yes many complains come from those viewers with surround setups. "Sitting under spkr, and no surround etc", is common. They would require a seperate remote for the surrounds.
I think this existed. Back in the 50's. With 6 track mag 70 mm.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 02-28-2000 02:06 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would love to review the Afterburner. The only problem is, I would have to hook it up to something! The horror! I would have to play at least one show with crippled dynamic range!

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