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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 04-06-2000 10:49 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Agreed to all of John's comments, although I will add that there is, or at least should be, more to a theatrical presentation than "just" picture quality.

I have a 35mm setup in my basement and can get better image quality than many commercial theatres. That said, I'd still rather go "out" to see a film than see it at home. There's something about being in a large room with a good audience (the type that are engaged in the film) that can never be duplicated with any type of home setup (DLP, 35mm, etc.).

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 04-06-2000 11:29 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No disagreement, Scott.

To me, enjoying a movie at a theatre ideally includes the quality of the sound, the sightlines, proper masking, curtains (remember them?), the comfort of the seats, and even the smell of freshly popped popcorn. Laughing or crying together with several hundred other people with a well-told (and perfectly presented) story makes going to a movie theatre special. That special experience can quickly be ruined by a rude or uncaring theatre employee, an unfocused, dim, or poorly framed projector, or poor quality sound.

Theatres should not lose sight of the fact that their primary business is presenting movies to an audience in the best possible way. If I want to enjoy a movie, I'll go to the best theatre showing the film, based on my experiences at the theatres in town.

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Tim Reed
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The collective experience of enjoying a movie in an audience... That is, and will always be, the thing that seperates theatres from all other entertainment choices.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Of course the theater is WHERE they should be seen, but where are you going to see, and hear the wonderful stereo tracks of films like The Music Man, West Side Story, Sound of Music and the like? If a person appreciates a films content then the format its viewed in shouldn't really matter too much. Those type of film showings just don't happen on a regular basis in any large city, perhaps with the exception of the L.A. area cause the prints simply just don't exist anymore for general distribution. I had some wonderful films in my collection and it was fun, but not practical in the long run. Geez, I was a month away from needing a warehouse for crying out loud!
Mark

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Dave Williams
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Randy, the reason that the video version of SW1 looks much more professional than the on screen presentation is this...

The film is 95% digital. When transferred to film it will have the look of a digitally produced film, although somewhat lifelike. However the video presentation is taken directly from the computer file output to the video masters for duplication. This way the video presentation looks much more realistic and lifelike, because it is coming from the source itself. This process was done with "A Bugs Life". For the pan and scan versions (a letterbox version is available) they simply told the computer what parts to cut out, avoiding the pan and scan look when the video camera moves from left to right... damn I hate that....

... Stuttering stanley, stuttering stanley, stuttering stanley, STUTTERING STANLEY.... AUGH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE.... If i have to hear that scene from sixth sense anymore..... auuuugh....

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Dave Williams
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And Mark.. you have HDTV? I am lucky to afford actualy tv.... Will you be my new daddy?

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 04-07-2000 03:52 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I thought the reason SWEP1 looked better in video had SOMETHING to do with that. I just didn't quite know what.

I read about how they did the video transfer of Bug's Life. That was cool. I especially liked the part where they couldn't just tell the computer to crop the picture. I believe they had to re-compose some of the scenes to make all the characters fit on the screen.

Do you think they did any of that with Star Wars?

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Martin Frandsen
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Im sure George Lucas will release Episode 1 on dvd in the near future at least rumors are that he will release the 'Indiana Jones' trilogy in 2001. Check this out, it looks like the covers for the dvd's are already made


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timothy johnson
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suckers! don't buy anymore DVD's,. High Def. DVD's are just around the corner, you are going to go out and re-purchase all those DVDs you are buying now, don't let the big corporate machine take your money, HIGH DEF is awesome,so just wait a few more years. I bet your still trying to sell those laser discs.

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Joe Redifer
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I thought that the Indy Jones trilogy was already out on DVD?

Hi def DVD? Hell, they can't even get normal def DVD right. Just look at all of those artifacts! Everybody else might not be able to see all of the digital gobbledygook, but being a film man -- I SURE CAN! I hear Hi-Def DVD still has more compression than normal def MiniDV (a consumer videotape format). How pathetic. Oh, I can't wait! DVD -- Oooooooooooooo!

I do like LaserDiscs, though. I'll take them off of your hands.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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No Dave, I won't be your new daddy! But you are welcome over any time to watch a film. I'd like to hear what your feelings are after viewing on the set.
Mark

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Carl Welles
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I can't believe anyone here is actually considering buying this movie that had hands down the most annoying character ever to graze the silver screen.


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Dave Williams
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Randy, I am sure they did some recomping in the purely digital scenes for the pan and scan version.

And I wonder if there is any way to COMPLETELY obliterate the jar jar binks and family scenes out... just recomp his unholy carcass out of there.... put in an ACTUAL black guy, like shaft.... I can see it now....

"You go on obiwan... these cats are goin down!"....

Actually its not far from true... you know that master Mace Windu (who comes up with these names?) himself... sam jackson, is playing Shaft this summer....

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Randy Stankey
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Take out Jar-Jar and add in some more of Samuel Jackson...

"Give me my light saber. It's the one that has, 'BAD M**** F*****' written on it!"

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