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Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

Posts: 283
From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 04-14-2000 09:01 AM      Profile for Ari Nordström   Email Ari Nordström   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John - both of you

The print in question print was probably thirty years old or more, and its usual resting place is the fridge at the Swedish Film Institute. I have no idea when it was screened last, either, because only very rarely do we get inspection protocols with the prints. The last time was probably years before I got it, because the way we operate is that we get the prints directly from the Film Institute, and send them back to them right after the show. See, none of the prints is in distribution anymore. They can't be ordered by the local theatre chain.

Most of the prints I get have never been near a platter; they are too old for that. Platters weren't common in Sweden until well into the eighties, and the vast majority of the films we play are much older than that.

And yes; I did inspect the print, and felt all those awful dry cement splices. I replaced a few of the most dangerous ones - the ones that were so dry that you only had to bend the film base slightly for the splice to break - but to replace all would simply not be practical. Besides, the Swedish Film Institute always assures me that the prints are throughly inspected before they're sent to us.

Yeah. Right.

I got a 70mm print of "Little Big Man" from them once where 10 minutes of one of the reels was spliced with the wrong side up, that is, half of the reel had the sound strips facing the wrong direction. Had I trusted them to actually have inspected the print, I would have ended up with a hugely embarrassing show...

And no, we don't have a failsafe. We don't have any kind of automation because the theatre where I work was built and closed down by the local theatre chain before anyone thought of installing a platter there. When we reopened as a revival house, the idea of automation was somewhat less than practical.

I think it was Scott who said that he actually likes film inspection. I do, too. I wouldn't be working for a revival house if I didn't.

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Ian Price
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From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 04-15-2000 04:58 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My partner, Ky, built up his very first film the other day. It was All About My Mother. He only built it up on 6,000' reels as all our platters are in use. He had heard me mention that I like to leave the tail on the film when rewinding because it limits scratching on the reel.

Our projectionist put it on the platter on Thursday night. On the first film Friday there was a report that the film was out of frame. I ran up and reframed.

Before the next show I checked the splice and dicovered that it was a masking tape splice. WTF! I was in a hurry and fixed the splice. I couldnt figure out why it was there?

The next show it was out of frame again! When I checked it this morning, I dicovered that our stupid projectionist had spliced the tail into the picture without checking or looking. What is all the more amazing is that the masking tape splice went through the projector just fine. Go figure.

Before I got to post this; I heard a strange noise from the projector behind me. It sounded like metal on metal. Not the best sound.

At the end of the movie, the changeover douser came loose and was hitting the shutter blade. I had to dissasemble it, find a washer, reassemble it and start the next film. I had 20 minutes. I took 27 minutes. I'm going to take a nap now.

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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene

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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 04-16-2000 01:04 AM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Very strange story:

We were running some lame movie, I think it was "Down To You". During its last show run, it suffered our first brain wrap in six months. We got that fixed in 5 minutes and cranked it back up. Five minutes later it did it again. Another five minutes and we are back in business. And yes again it did it again. Seven times it brain wrapped, and each time there was NOTHING wrong with anything at all. When we looked at it, perfect, until we walked away. Then brain wrap.

And this is what really gets me, after we fixed the seventh wrap, three FULL boxes jumped from a top shelf across the floor, EIGHT FEET across the floor. I think I have a little devlish spirit walking my booth.

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 04-17-2000 08:53 AM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dave:

We had one of those too, in an old 1921-vintage theatre I used to work. It's true! I know that not everyone believes in this type of thing, but strange, inexplicable things used to happen to our equipment on a routine basis. If someone had told me about any of this stuff, I wouldn't have believed them, but I was the relief man at the time and I saw it with my own eyes!

Odd things would happen to the prints, too; reels would mysteriously become out of order, and splices would change their framing orientation.

It all stopped, though, when they fired the chief projectionist.

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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 - posted 04-17-2000 09:35 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We had some sort of spirit, too, but all he did was unscrew random lightbulbs in hard-to-get-to places. It was always "fun" to spend an hour lowering the chandelier to fix bulbs, only to have half of the "burned-out" ones work fine when tightened in their sockets...

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Bryan Redemske
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From: Cedar Falls, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000


 - posted 04-17-2000 09:39 AM      Profile for Bryan Redemske   Email Bryan Redemske   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
okay, here's my crazy story. it's actually happening right now....odd. okay, 28 Days started on Friday. During the 7 pm showing between reels 5 and 6, it jumped out of frame. Obviously, we're thinking bad splice. However....it didn't do it during the show before. AND, it didn't do it the show after - the projectionist on duty stayed in there and was forced to watch it all.

Now...Saturday afternoon goes by with no prob lems. It never jumps. By then the print had been checked a few times around reels 5 and 6 and nothing has been noticed. So, I'm in the booth Saturday night and during the 9 pm show, it does it again. Hadn't done it all day. Yesterday went by with no jumps. What the HELL is going on?

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 04-17-2000 10:00 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bryan:

Sounds like the print jumped off the intermittent sprocket and re-engaged a perf later. Check the tension of the shoe that holds the film against the intermittent sprocket. Also be sure that the gate tension isn't excessive.

The splice between reels 5 and 6 may be a bit stiff or out of line, causing the film to jump off the sprocket. Try remaking the splice.

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Eastman Kodak Company
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Bryan Redemske
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From: Cedar Falls, IA, USA
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 - posted 04-17-2000 10:36 AM      Profile for Bryan Redemske   Email Bryan Redemske   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John,

prints do that? it was my guess that it was jumping but i didn't know how it possibly could. i'll check on that tonight and remake the splice. thanks!

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 04-17-2000 10:55 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bryan:

Prints don't normally do that, but a stiff or out-of-line splice might be just enough to occasionally "pop" the shoe and let the film slip over the intermittent sprocket by a perf or two. So the image would go out of frame.

When you check the splice, check the film around it for damage like nicked perfs or "roping" marks from the sprocket teeth.

Obviously, in a "worst case" situation, by jumping the sprocket, you'd lose the bottom loop and tear/stretch the film.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Jason Burroughs
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From: Allen, TX
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I once worked with a poorly maintained (by AMC) Victoria 8 that would to that fairly often, even with perfect splices, it would occasionally pop the keepers on the intermittant long enough to jump a sprocket or too and then the keepers would close back, 99% of the time fortunatly with the teeth back in a sprocket hole. However it DID eat a print of Exotica, afer that it would not run in that projector but ran just fine in the Simplex's that we had, go figure. I"m SO glad that theatre's closed.

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John Walsh
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Yep, I was just going to say the same as JP: bad splice. And it used to happen to me with Victoria 9's which have the same type of pad roller for the intermittent sprocket as a Victoria 8. Intermittent pad rollers for Centurys and Simplexes lock down pretty hard, so they usually won't have that particular problem.

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Bryan Redemske
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From: Cedar Falls, IA, USA
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 - posted 04-17-2000 11:07 PM      Profile for Bryan Redemske   Email Bryan Redemske   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
okay, here's the story with the magical jumping film - it didn't do it tonight. it turns out that it's BEFORE the splice, so we spent time trying to find a rough spot or a lab splice or something that's doing it. have yet to find it. the intermittent shoe is now adjusted like it should be...hopefully it won't do any more acrobatics.

thanks for your help!

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