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Greg Anderson
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...and how much did they pay you to run yourself ragged on that Thursday in July? For the money they save by overworking and underpaying a guy like you, they could certainly afford to buy some automation to assist you, I would think.

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Dwayne Caldwell
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I'd like to go with the James Cameron automation myself. Hey, at what point does a movie theatre become a megaplex? Is there a minimal number involved? Would a ten screen be considered a megaplex while a nine screen is just your standard theatre? Or does it have to have at least fifteen screens to qualify for the title? Just curious.

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Scott Norwood
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I just can't imagine how it would be possible to do a genuinely good job while running a 24-plex by oneself without start timers or alarm panels. Sure, it can probably be done, but I doubt that the results are consistent.

Yes, I suffered through one night at a single-screen all by myself (doing everything including tickets, popcorn, and projection) with no platters or automation of any kind, but I sure wouldn't want to do it again and there's no way that anyone could do this consistently.

Besides, many medium-size multiplexes have multiple booths, which pretty much necessitates alarm panels, since it's impossible to hear the sound of gears being stripped while the projectionist is two booths away doing threadups.

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Alan Brandt
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Well, as I said before, although I've done it all more than once, it was a good thing that it wasn't a standard way of doing things. At least with that many screens to run, they were pretty good about making sure there was more than just one or two people scheduled to work the whole booth. However on occasion, there were the typical no-shows...who were consequently never permitted in the booth again, although they were offered positions as floor staff. The theory behind that was simply the fact that they were not dependable enough to work the booth where time is of great importance. Most Cinemarks to my knowledge only contain one booth level unless they are fitted stadium seating. In that case there were different levels, but again, the number of projectionists to run the booth was appropriated for the size and type of booth. (Ex: A 16 screen all stadium would typically have 3 projectionists. Two, just because it was more than 12 screens, plus one more because it would be a multi-level booth.) Unless the booth was not taken care of very well, with that many projectionists, even in the 24 screen, there was plenty of time to thread, start, build, break, and even tend to "issues" when they arose.

Dwayne:

As far as what determines a "Megaplex"...Although I'm not sure this is standard, but I have always considered more than 12 screens to have that title. Meaning 12 or under is simply a "12 screen" or "8 screen", or whatever, whereas a 17 screen (which Cinemark apparently thinks is funny to have pioneered the concept of an ODD number of screens)... ...would be a 17-plex, or the aforementioned "megaplex". But that's all just my opinion.

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Jason Burroughs
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Scott,

Speaking from experience when I was running the booth at the AMC Grand 24 here in Dallas shrotly after it opened, it IS possible to run 24 screens with one operator, and no timers, successfully, but it IS difficult. I acutally had less probems running the booth by myself then when splitting the booth amongst other operators. Shows were started every 5 minutes, and on one house the automation did not work, and had to be run manually. Let me tell ya, by the end of the shift I was dog tired. Fortunatly I only had to do that a few times.

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Randy Stankey
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I work at Cinemark, and I do have to say that timers and status boards would be nice but they're not necessary at all. Anybody out there who's at all competent can run a big booth like ours. (17 screens) It's not that big of a deal.

I WOULD like to have the ability to put the projectors on timers, though. As was said earlier, budgeting time is a big priority on build-up day! In fact, that's the number one thing I get hollered at for. Usually I'm in one place changing trailers or building up when I realize I'm supposed to start a proj.

On the other hand, having timers would just encourage some lazy people to get even lazier.

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John Walsh
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Jason is right; In days of yore, I would not allow anymore than 3 regular operators at a theater at one time. Just too hard to keep everyone on the same page. Also, you get to know the other guy, (and he knows you) so you do a better job. You know they will find out soon if you are a screw-up. Sort of the same concept of there always being at least two people to count money.

An "Unnecessary Bells & Whistles" story:

A place I worked had a Rank automation (the one with pins.) Like any automation, there were relay contacts to hook up an audible alarm to sound if the film broke. (Actually, the Rank also would sound the alarm if the lamp went out, which was nice.)

No remote panel was used/installed, because there was only one booth. It was only about a 20ft by 15ft area.

The installer hooked up a 12VDC "Sonalert" to sound on failsafe. It was really loud. Since every new installation has some problems at first, it went off for one reason or another a few times.

I got annoyed, and disconnected it. The installer came back (for other stuff) and re-connected it. I disconnected it again.

He made a scene in front of my boss. I said; What good does it do? I can't get far enough away from the projectors to not know something is wrong. Who wants to listen to that thing while you're trying to fix a problem. He sort of pulled rank, and connected it again. About a week later, I removed it, hooked it up to 110VAC, baked it to well-done, then put it back in.

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Joe Redifer
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Come work in my booth about 3 months ago. Christie and Pennywise made a very embarrassing faux pas with their CA21 automation. It would not detect the failsafes. So you could be in another booth threading and a film starts on the other side and the platter fails. The projector just stops. No alarm. And sometimes the projector doesn't even stop... it would continue to dump film onto the floor! You can't be everywhere at once. How would you handle that, Alan? I guess we're too stupid since we need reliable automation, eh?

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Brad Miller
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Look familiar Joe?

Now who was it that was saying such items as failsafes and status panels were unnecessary???


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Chris Erwin
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For a big multi, wouldn't be cool to rig an alarm to a pager the head projectionist could wear. Something like...

BEEP...

PROJECTOR 2,FAULT 2

on a alphanumeric pager. That way if it's something major,the head proj. can go to it or let the others handle it.

I like toys...

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Gordon McLeod
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RGM made a pager type alarm system but I don't think it ever got off the ground

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Brad Miller
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VERY cool! A pager!!! That would be great for when the operator is walking the theaters for quality control.

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Gordon McLeod
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I new one theatre that the operator wired his own remote into the nextdoor pub

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John Walsh
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Remember that guy Drew Kaplan and "DAK" catalogs? He sold a watch with two buttons on it that used RF to throw a remote relay. I hooked it up to start the show. Cool toy, but it broke about 1 month after I got it. It was cheap, anyway, but still it was fun.

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Brad Miller
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haha I had forgotten about Mr. Drew Alan Kaplan! Lots of neat toys in his catalog. Ashamed the quality of them was always crap.

You can do the same thing today with the X-10 modular controllers, but with reliability. Remote clock timers preset for the entire week, remote starts, wireless remote controls...it can do it all for the rigging oriented.

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