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Scott Norwood
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I've only seen Ben Hur in 35mm, but it's definitely more than nine reels in that format. I want to say that it's something like 12 or 14 or so, including the intermission. I can't remember at the moment, and I wasn't running it, anyway.

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Ari Nordström
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"Ben Hur" is 16 reels in 35mm, as far as I can remember.

All of the 70mm reels were combined from two lab reels, except reel 6 that was shorter (reel 6 was the last one before Intermission). This should mean a total of 9 reels. 9, maybe 10 if I'm confusing the "Ben Hur" print with the "Spartacus" print...

The Intermission (and the following overture) in the 35mm print we got was gone, as was the overture in reel 1. Damned vandals. I always filed bitter and angry print inspection reports when I got that print.

The 70mm prints had the intermission and the overtures intact, thankfully.

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John Eickhof
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On the standpoint of service and parts stocks, as well as equipping for Nitrate, I would stay standardized with the XLs, Go with older PR-1002, 1006, or early 1012s, all of these can be fitted for nitrate film. (Check
out the Stanford theatre in Palo Alto, CA.)
We supplied a full nitrate 35mm 2 machine booth WITH peerless magnarcs (8 X 9 mm NATIONALs)For this job, over twelve years has passed,and HUNDREDS of UCLAs archive NITRATES have run with NO complaints! These machines were equipped with FOX-HOLE sprockets for the shrinkage factor. (and of course, they have mag penthouses)Remember...IATSE rules say
'Two operators and one Rewind person in booth at all times when flammable film is
being projected'!!!!

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Gordon McLeod
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UCLA currently uses FP20's in there nitrate booth. There is an interesting article in a SMPTE jurnala few years ago. Maybe John Pytlak can remember which one
Since 70mm is a requirement the use of the XL is rulled out
The only Northamerican machine that ran 70 and had reel firevalves was the JJ or the early Simplex XL35/70 and finding combo magazines would be impossible
Also a platter is out the question if nitrate is involved
Go with the AA2 as it is the best bang for the buck

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John Pytlak
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The paper Gordon is referring to is "The Care and Handling of Hazardous Nitrate Film at UCLA's Unique Projection Facilities" by Jess Daily, published in the June 1990 SMPTE Journal. Jess is the Chief Projectionist at UCLA's Melnitz Theatre, and very active in the SMPTE Theatrical Projection Committee.

BTW, that same June 1990 issue of the SMPTE Journal has an excellent paper by John Belton on "Todd-AO: A History". Big pictures, big screens and big audiences deserve 70mm prints.

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Gordon McLeod
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Thanks John for you archival memory.
Regretably when we bought the house and moved mysteriously all my boxes of old SMPTE BKSTS and AMerican Cinemetographers that cluttered up my den did not seem to get unloaded off the truck. Maybe someone was trying to tell me something but no it means a trip to the reference library now when I want to look up something

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Larry Shaw
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John & Gordon,
About 2 years ago Jess had us build two special variable-speed nitrate-capable bells-and-whistles-laden DP-75's for the Melnitz Theatre. AFAIK he's happy with them.

Frank,
the "-S" (studio) or "-EC" (electronic control) machines would probably handle the machine/workstation interface problems you have, possibly in conjunction with a lynx. BTW the "-E" machines do tricks like switch selectable pulldown (E.G. switch from 3 to 4 perf pulldown) and have continuous run shutters which cut flicker at low frame rates.


-Larry

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Gordon McLeod
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For sound I would purchase the Panastereo 35/70 unit as it is the only unit currently made that supports ALL current and old optical and mag formats
the only other option is a used CP200

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Definately go the CP-200 route. Its very easy to find a very late unit. Alot of chains will trade out even for a new CP-500. Its important to have the real noise reduction and not a make believe version.
Mark

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Frank Wylie
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Gulbrandsen:
Definately go the CP-200 route. Its very easy to find a very late unit. Alot of chains will trade out even for a new CP-500. Its important to have the real noise reduction and not a make believe version.
Mark


Thanks Mark, and many thanks to everyone who posted to this thread!

At least now, I have good idea of where and what to look for in both the used and new markets.

Many thanks again.

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