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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 04-21-2000 11:25 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I received this bit of information after (all of us) started talking about Cinemeccanica. I didn't realize that Cinemeccanica had several different divisions, and (wrongly) sort of lumped them together.

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Hi,

I read your post on Cinemeccanica's going out of business...I don't think so... Cinemeccanica has several divisions; the production division manufactures dollies (which the patent infringment came from) film
editing equipment et cetera. The company is privately held with the 3rd generation planning for digital cinema, whenever it happens. Their projector production is almost at sold out level for the next two years
thanks to customers such as Warners International, U.C.I./Paramount and myself (a $6,000,000 distributor). Prevost was in bankruptcy a few years ago due to losing the Zeiss distribution network but the son has brought it back to life.
Cinemeccanica wisely did not greatly expand their facilities like Strong did during the American building spree (now dead); that is why Strong is in deep trouble.

(and)

2 1/2 years ago Cinemeccanica came up with a new sound drum which fully covers the sound drum (with a slot for the reverse scan LEDs)
the center covered area is recessed so as not to touch the image area; designed for mylar stock... I have over 130 units in operation and we are converting 14 more cinemas next month. It is an easy retrofit, and if you have the factory spanner wrench, should take about 1 1/2 hours to install.

New item introduced this month - D.C. pulse ignitor for their lamphouses and consoles to replace the IREM AS series units they have been using.

Richard Fowler
TVP-Miami www.tvpmiami.com


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I am glad Cinemeccanica is doing OK, because I really like the design. I do wish they still made V9's though. And, I really like the idea of the new sound drum... I'm going to ask our tech guy if we can get one.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 04-22-2000 12:07 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Richard, come on and join us on the forum! Just click on the FAQ for directions for signing up.

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Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

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From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 04-24-2000 12:48 PM      Profile for Ari Nordström   Email Ari Nordström   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gordon,

I do have some nice AGA pics, so I'll scan them and email them to Brad. That OK with you, Brad?

The AGA was the first machine I ever threaded, actually, so I really like them. They're really beautiful, too, very well designed. They were installed pretty much everywhere in Sweden after WWII, but they eventually lost ground to the Philips FP5, Ernemann VIII and others.

As for Cinemeccanica, we've nicknamed the Victoria 5 "Cinemeccano" since most of the projectionists around here regard it as something of a toy projector. It certainly feels like one, when used to a Philips DP70 or a Favorit70. On the other hand, when cared for properly, it is not a bad projector, it just feels like one.

At the local multiplex, they've had some trouble with misaligned (and wrongly manufactured) gates, resulting in bad focus. Is this anything any of you recognise?

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Brad Miller
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Send them on.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 04-24-2000 05:33 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey Ari,
Are those AGA machines chain drive in an oil bath? I remember seeing pictures of the insides of one a long time ago.
Mark

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John Walsh
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 - posted 04-24-2000 07:16 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ari;

I thought the same thing about Victoria 5's. One day, we put a Xetron 3000 watt lamp on to a V5. That night, while it was running, I was talking to someone and leaned on the back of the lamp. The entire projector tilted up! I ended up bolting the thing to the floor (there are holes in the pedesal for that.)

It lasted much longer than I expected (we took it out to put in 70mm.) But, I miss the V9's. If they wanted a cheaper machine, they should have stuck with V9's.

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Ari Nordström
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Mark,

To be honest with you, I don't know for sure. My recollection is that they aren't; they look like a Philips FP5 inside. But when I get around to scanning and emailing the AGA pictures I have, see if you can figure it out. I can't - I don't have that kind of detail visible in them.

I learned the craft and art of film projection with AGA projectors, but I was never given the chance to study them inside except when the local tech was there.

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Ari Nordström
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Every Victoria 5 I've ever threaded has been firmly bolted to the floor. If they hadn't, half of them would probably have tilted within the first few months of their lives. They're pretty lightweight.

The pair of V8's I saw at the Colosseum in Oslo seemed a lot heavier and sturdier. The projectionist there had some nice things to say about them, too.

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Martin Frandsen
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The vic8 will be the best projector cinemeccanica EVER made, do they still make it? i think so. Sorry to say it, but the vic5 are not worth much

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Scott Norwood
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What's an AGA projector? I've never heard of such a beast.

As it is, Cinemeccanica machines are rara avis in the US. Simplex and Century seem to dominate, with the odd mix of Norelco, Cinemeccanica, Kinoton, and maybe a few others filling in the gaps. For 16mm, Hortson, Norelco, Eastman (model 25), Eiki, and Elmo seem to dominate with respect to theatre-size xenon or arc machines.

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David Kilderry
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What is used in Australia? Most popular today would be Kinoton FP 50,FP 30 and Cinemeccanica Vic 5. There are also plenty of Christie, Century, Bauer U3, Vic 8, DP70, DP 75, Simplex Strong.

Back a few years there were plenty of Super Standards, Cummings and Wilson, (both Australian) Kalee, Centrex, etc.

Most automation is Pennywise CA 100 and CA 21. Platters are mostly Speco, Christie, Kinoton.

Shakameccanica is the word, they also shed poly film and churn through shutter gearboxes, otherwise good. Kinoton have a great image on screen but the new aperture set-up is fragile and hard to get right. Christie cause major shedding and are easy to work on - they need to be, everything breaks from Ultramittants to damper struts. Clever construction and great lamphouse consols.

David

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Ari Nordström
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Scott,

An AGA projector is (was) a Swedish-made post-war modernity. Well, actually I think AGA started making them before the war, but they didn't become popular until after the war ended. AGA projectors were installed in a lot of booths around the country for a while, but I doubt they ever spread anywhere outside Scandinavia. I know that some were installed in Finland and Norway.

The machines themselves were characteristically dark red and elegantly designed. Later models featured 4-channel mag readers and the AGA version of CinemaScope, called AGASCOPE (what else, huh?). In the eighties, many of the remaining AGAs were converted to Dolby Stereo with generally good results. AFAIK, a few of these are still in place.

I started my projectionist career by learning to thread a pair of the "beasts" for a few weeks and really liked them. The reels were small (600 meters) so it didn't take me long to learn how to do a proper changeover.

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Stefan Scholz
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The AGA is a reliable, and really beatyfully designed projector. As far as I know AB Gas Accumulator stopped making them after a negotiated deal with the Phillips Company. Phillips sold it's technical gas dept. to AGA, and Aga went selling Phillips projectors. Ari is right, they were hardly known outside of northern Europe, even though the quality of projector and sound systems were simelar to the Siemens brands (Bauer/Klangfilm).

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