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Martin Frandsen
Master Film Handler

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From: Denmark, Europe
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 04-26-2000 02:44 PM      Profile for Martin Frandsen   Email Martin Frandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark, keep up with the long posts! i enjoy reading how you pro's do it! just to say something about the subject- Toy story 2 was great in EX!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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 - posted 04-26-2000 02:51 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I definately agree Joe. EX is really pretty good when done right. Whats another 2500.00 when the typical booth tab is at least 50 grand these days anyway.........Why not do it right the first time if you have a chance. As far as Toy Story goes its A great refrence track weather run in EX or not.
Mark

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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene

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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
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 - posted 04-27-2000 03:20 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark,

Let me rephrase what it is we do when we re EQ for each feature. We actually NEVER touch the EQ itself, its just a way I refer to it. What we do is adjust levels for the high frequency in relation to the low frequency outputs. We have them separated and sent to different horns for each channel. it allows us to make minor adjustments to allow for bad mixes by sound engineers. Every sound engineer has thier own preference on sound, and much of comes from I think poor or damaged hearing. I personally am sensitive to all auditory ranges and can hear even the slightest twinges and distortions, but could never mix sound because I am not sure from what range it came from. If I hear humming, i turn down the low frequency horns, If my ear drums start hurting, I turn down the high frequency horns. after we get the sound to not hurt my ears, we adjust the volume to 85db and leave it.

But you are correct on the actual EQ settings. I have those locked up and are only touched by my sound tech himself. I really need to work on my terminology, after all I get on my own people about that same problem and here I go doing the same thing.

Dave

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 04-27-2000 04:55 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dave,
Ha, What the heck??
I suspect that you may have poor,mismatched, or improperly installed equipment if you have to do that every time. Still using the ISO curve is the proper way to do things. Remember....you can't make a bad mix sound good........No matter what. I have not heard a really awful mix in years.
Mark

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 04-28-2000 12:51 AM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark,

Yes to all of the above. The idiot that installed all of the equipment is just that, an idiot. I will not give his name as he seems to do a lot of these installs (works for a local sound company).

I agree that we shouldn't have to fiddle with the levels ever, but unfortunately it is the way it is. Partly because the equipment was never installed properly, and partly because the owner installed this equipment because it was pulled from another theater that closed up in denver. When it was purchased there, it was NOT top of the line equipment, but was purchased for the lowest he could get it, just so he could say it was DTS!!! YAHOO!!!!

Personally I am tired of dealing with it! I had it perfect ONCE, but a former employee was given access by a NOW former employee on one of my days off. He destroyed all of the settings. My sound guy wont redo the settings unless he is paid in advance, as the last time he did it our accounts payable took three and a half months to cut him a check.

When its on, it rocks! It was on when we had SWEP1, then it got screwed with. I did what I could but we wont pay for a redo because we are cheap %#$%@#$%%@%!!!!!!

And in all reality, today was my last day folks. I no longer work for this company. Not sure what I am going to do next, to be honest I have had it working for companies that have no intention of going anywhere. Talk is cheap, and so are the people I keep working for.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 04-28-2000 03:52 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You haven't heard an awful mix in years? Please explain the following mixes:

The Mummy
The Messenger
Armegeddon
or any Jerry Bruckheimer flick.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 04-28-2000 05:21 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Ick! Damn you Joe. You just HAD to bring up that HORRIBLE memory of the sound mix in "The Mummy", didn't you!!! Worst sound mix of all time I say. I hope I never run another film mixed by whoever that guy was! It was an embarassment to the sound system. Unfortunately my idea of "buy a large popcorn and get a free pair of earplugs for watching The Mummy" didn't go over well with the concession people. It would've been a HUGE boost to the concession sales once that first reel started.

The Messenger was pretty bad too (but not quite Mummy status). The Bruckheimer flicks "can" sound quite damn good, but boy do those frequencies between 2K-8K have to be S M O O T H for it to sound good. Otherwise it's screech city.

Mark, in defense of Dave here, if you have seen The Mummy I think you will agree what he did was virtually a requirement for the run of that particular flick. Every operator I knew at the time who ran that film did similar things to the eq for that one show (and then of course put the dials back to where they were originally for the next film). Thank God for Dolby's course bass/treble controls which allow for such an emergency change, while preserving the actual tweeking of each dial once those 2 controls are reset to their original postions! When will Ultra stereo and others learn?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Brad,
I definately DID NOT see The Mummy. Still tinkering with eq is a no no for the most part. That is unless you have the resorces to return it to its proper settings. And like I've said three times here, ya can't make a bad mix sound good.

Dave,
If things are really that bad(and they have always been that way according to several sources I know)you should find a better chain to work for and not let your knowledge go to waste. There are good theaters with good equipment to do work for here in SLC. Give me a call.
Mark

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Brad Miller
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Well, on mixes like "The Mummy" you are in one sense correct and in one sense not. I wouldn't say altering the eq can make this movie sound "good", BUT you CAN make that track sound "acceptable" with a bit of eqing. So long as ONLY something like the course bass/treble controls are moved (and their location exactly marked beforehand), this will not damage the original B-chain when returned for the next show. Altering individual 1/3 octave pots without a multiplexer, RTA and a good amount of knowledge and experience would defintely be a bad idea though.

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Dave Williams
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You are correct Mark, things are bad here, always have been. All of my efforts have been for not and a total waste of time. I tell you if the owner fails to renew the lease here, and the whole planet knows he will (he still wont admit it to himself), I would love to renew the lease myself and get this place back up to par. This particular theater is as close to historical landmark as you are going to get anymore, what with all of the theaters going out of business and getting torn up and out, it would be a shame to see this place die as well, well not with its current ownership.

And get this, the current ownership wants to hire me to take over promotions and oversee operations in two theaters! This after laying me off! Personally I hate the rat race, and this place is run by the rats!

Mark, I will give you a call on Monday, in fact I may even be out and about and just drop in!

Dave

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