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Aaron Sisemore
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Jason Said:

" but if they took the time to make the strip on the side of the film, why not make the discs?"

If the film has a viable DTS timecode and the credits say that it had DTS sound, then there ARE discs available for it! First thing to do is to CALL DTS (NOT the distributor, or you'll get the discs a week after the playdate) Ask for Karen Hultgren, she will do her best to make sure a set of discs get to your theatre expeditiously. Even for some of the more 'off the wall' prints that sometimes pop up with DTS tracks.

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John Wilson
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A little way back, our print of 'The Game' came with dts code, but no discs. When I enquired, I was told by the distributor that they hadn't imported and discs.

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Gordon McLeod
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Yes the emperor was in DTS but not in English DTS
When we ran it in Toronto at the Cinesphere we have 2 DTS players (70mm failsafe)
We ran the Mandarin disks in one to the FM transmitter used for french imax films and the second one ran the canonese to the regular phonioc ear
The srd english ran in the theatre.
That is on of the major DTS advantages the smae print multilanguages

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Karen Hultgren
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Hello Tom,

If you need discs and don't get them, call the film distribuator. If that gets you no where, call us at (818) 706-3525 or within continental USA: 800-959-4109. We will have discs sent to you.

Karen at DTS

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Tom Ferreira
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First off I'd like to state that my dealings with DTS have been excellent-always helpful and friendly.
The point I was trying to make is there is no time code on "Africa", "Heart", and "Snow Day", therefore no disks are available. Why do some studios choose to release some films in DTS, while not others? If I produced or directed one of these films, I'd be quite upset. Who makes these decisions?

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Reeve Byrne
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That has happened to me a couple of time, not having any DTS disk, and having a DTS time code.

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Karen Hultgren
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Why are not all films released in DTS? We are working on it. Most major (big) studios are using DTS on all films. The few that are not (Fox, Sony, and Paramount) use us for at least 70% of their films. Destination Films has now signed on using us on their films, but I'm not sure of the percentage.

The best way to know if a film will be released in DTS, is to check it out on our web site at www.dstonline.com under 'cinema'.

As far as some films having a timecode track but no discs, those are usually lab mistakes. Having the track but not getting discs only means you cannot play it in DTS. But you can play it in other sound foramts without causing any problems in playback.

Karen at DTS

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John Pytlak
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Karen --- Since the DTS time code is on the sound negative supplied to the lab, it's not up to the lab as to whether prints have DTS time code or not. The presence of time code without disks is not a "lab mistake". I suspect that if prints have DTS time code without disks, the time code is there for another language version, or the distributor decided late in the game not to supply DTS disks.

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Karen Hultgren
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Yes, there have been times, although not often when whomever at whatever lab has forgotten to turn off the timecode generator when starting to add the optical soundtrack to a new film. This can happen if the film just before it had DTS.

To be fair, yes, there have been times when timecode has been added to a print for DTS digital release in a foreign venue and, for whatever reason, all prints were made w/a timecode track. That, too, doesn't happen often.

Karen at DTS

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Charles Everett
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No DTS Disks=Bad Movie? That a load of

Shadow of the Vampire has Malkovich -- Malkovich! -- and it's SDDS/SR only. Makes it even better if you saw it at AMC like I did

The Anniversary Party is quite good and it's SRD/SR only. Memento was quite good and it's SRD/SR only.


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Charles Everett
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Bumping this up for our newbies with the 2 latest examples:

Has DTS timecode but no discs -- Hey Arnold!

SRD/SR/SDDS only -- Sunshine State

BTW, the stack ads and one-sheet for Sunshine State have the Dolby Digital logo but not the SDDS logo.


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Bobby Henderson
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Judging whether a film is good or bad when it has no DTS discs really depends on the distributor and its release habits. I think Paramount's "Hey Arnold: The Movie" has Dolby Digital as the only digital audio track on the print. Normally Paramount includes both DTS and Dolby Digital on any major release. I don't know if the movie is any good or not, but usually whenever Paramount does a Dolby Digital-only print release the sound mix itself is usually very conservative. If the soundtrack really thumps and has a lot of surround activity Paramount will typically support both formats.

"Shadow of the Vampire" and "Memento" are both arguably art house films. It is kind of curious how both films omitted the use of DTS in the release prints, but both have DVDs that feature DTS audio tracks (the new 2-disc SE of "Memento" features a new DTS mix).

Several years ago there were many more films featuring only one of the three sound formats on the print. So back then a film like "The Fugitive," "The Lion King" or "Crimson Tide" could feature a Dolby Digital-only print containing a pretty aggressive surround track. I don't think that's the case anymore. Usually if a lot of work goes into the digital mix, a quad format print will be made these days.

But one thing I can't figure out: quad format on Woody Allen films. Yeah, I like hearing DTS in mono. Hehe.

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Darryl Spicer
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In some cases when you have the timecode on the print and there are no disks. It could be do to the fact that something got changed after the disks had been printed up and rather press new disks they just do not issue them. I can see this happening on non potential blockbuster films.

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Bobby Henderson
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One thing I think happens with the cases of time code being on the print but no discs being made is that perhaps the film doesn't do well on test screenings.

If a movie tests well, a distributor may spend more money to hype it up in the marketing. If not, they'll immediately find ways to cut the costs.

"Hey Arnold: The Movie" is just the latest film to have time code on the print but no discs made. I remember being mystified when Fox released "The Edge" years ago, featuring DTS time code on the print but no DTS discs being made for the feature.

Anyway, "Hey Arnold" isn't exactly drawing in the crowds. I got in a pretty interesting discussion about the duality of movie audiences and some of their bitch-rants regarding "there aren't enough films that are family oriented!" Well, IT IS THE AUDIENCES FAULT!!!! Geez. It is typical American behavior. Pawn something that is your own damned fault onto some other monolithical object, thing, group or whatever. The good theater in my town has family films out the wazoo booked, such as "Powerpuff Girls," "Like Mike," "Lilo and Stitch" and the aforementioned "Hey Arnold". The audiences aren't showing up to support these films.

The movie going public cannot have it both ways. They cannot bitch and whine about there not being enough family films when the only films they pay to see have blood flowing, bombs exploding and bare boobs bouncing all over the place! Hypocrites!

Anyway, that's why Paramound did not pay to have DTS discs made for "Hey Arnold: The Movie." They pretty much figured the movie would only do marginally well at best. If Arnold picked up an M-60 SAW rifle and started mowing down buildings and earn a PG-13 or R rating, the DTS discs might have gotten made.

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Charles Everett
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Bobby: To keep this thread from drifting I've started a new thread on "Family fare" in Ground Level. Care to continue the discussion there?

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