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Topic: I've heard of not leaving a reference frame, but this is rediculous!
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John Pytlak
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Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-24-2000 08:57 AM
I agree with Brad that maintaining continuity (NO lost frames) should be the goal. If leaving a single "reference frame" on the head and tail leader assured correct reel identification for the life of the print, I could accept that, BUT in practice, I bet most unskilled operators CUT off the reference frames anyway, rather than peeling the splice. IMHO, leaving more than one frame is overkill, and very distruptive to continuity. Let's not "Idiot Proof" our way to mediocrity!The best idea to come out of this discussion is to splice a "reference frame" into the body of the leader. I believe this would be done by the film editor/negative cutter, and not the laboratory. It's worth re-introducing at the SMPTE Projection (P3) and Lab Practices (L6) committees. There also was once an attempt to have a SMPTE Recommended Practice to write the film title and reel number on the edge of the sound negative about 10 feet (3 metres) into the body of each reel, and print it through with the printer edgelight. Unfortunately, this is impractical today, because SDDS occupies that area of the print. FWIW, the discoloration sometimes seen in the first frame of picture may be due to changing the printer lights (color balance) between the TAPE setting needed for the leader, and that for the first scene. If the color change cue is at the splice, the printer may take a frame to actually change the color balance to the correct one for the scene. Obviously, if the first/last frame is off-color, it should not be shown. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 05-24-2000 10:09 AM
John P wrote: -"Let's not "Idiot Proof" our way to mediocrity!"I'm laughing a bit, because (although it sounds harsh), that is _exactly_ what I am doing. While printing a reference frame in the leader is a good idea, how long would it take to get it through P3 and L6 committees (rhetorical question)? And studios haven't exactly shown a big interest in helping theaters (I will mention one thing: "ELR's.") So, who says they would change? In fact, with studios pushing e-projection, maybe it would be in their best interest not to help too much. I know I sound like Mr. Cranky, but I really feel theaters need help with hundreds of little things like this *now* and are not getting it. -"There also was once an attempt to have a SMPTE Recommended Practice to write the film title and reel number <snip> Unfortunately, this is impractical today, because SDDS occupies that area of the print." Could they simply do something like draw, say, 3 slashes (for reel 3) about 2 feet in on the print, in between the sprocket holes on the non-soundtrack side? There's nothing there. It could be done at both ends (the emulsion would tell you if it's the head of 3 or tails.) John P: Is there a written guideline anywhere for editors or negitive cutters for creating a changeover, including how the audio (pull-ups) are done? Or, it it just one of those things one guy shows another, and is never really written down?
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-24-2000 12:51 PM
I just thought of another way to identify the reel number throughout the entire length of the film. As most of you know, Dolby now prints a Dolby "Double D" trademark at the center of the Dolby Digital data matrix between each perforation. It may be possible to program the Dolby sound camera to expose a tiny reel number at some repeat interval (e.g., once every 24 frames). That way, any print with Dolby Digital track could be viewed under a magnifier, and the reel number would be printed in every 96th perforation (24 frames X 4 perfs = 96). (You'll still have 95 perfs that have the Dolby trademark). I'll check with Ioan Allen of Dolby to see if this is feasible. Perhaps one of the Dolby participants in Film-Tech Forum could let us know if this might work? Can I be listed as inventor in the Dolby patent? ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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