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Ari Nordström
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Yup, I located a used "A Train" after we got the CP500. Being friends with the technical manager at the local multiplex helped.

I didn't know the low frequency info was that intense. We certainly have never had trouble with it. I simply thought that someone at Dolby got bored and made "City" instead...

Mathias Andersson
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We've also got the A-train trailer, but since the trailer has been used for over 5 years the digital track is getting bad.

Is the B-train the same version as the one on DVD and LD (i.e. without the horn blowing)?

Brad Miller
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The B version is the one that starts off loud, continues to be loud, and ends loud. It's also got the horn blowing. Blah!

The A train starts off real quiet with a little ping in each channel that makes it's way around the room and then has a nice clean WHOOSH as the train starts up. Much more powerful and far more impressive. All "loud" is boring.

John Pytlak
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Don't forget that Brad has QuickTime versions of the Dolby sound logos at the end of the "Manuals" section: Canyon, City, Egypt, Rain, Temple, and Train (1st version).

Any chance of getting versions of the other sound intros on-line for reference?

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Joe Redifer
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The B Train is indeed the one on the DVD and Laserdiscs.

The A Train has five "clanks" in the beginning. They go: Left, Center, Right, Right Surround, Left Surround.

The B Train has only 4 "clanks". Left, Right, Right Surround, and Left Surround.

If the version you are listening to has 5 clanks, it is the original version. It also MUST say "Dolby Stereo Digital" at the end, otherwise it is NOT the original version.

I have the original version in 35mm and the low end does not seem that intense. I think that the reason they changed them was to A) make it shorter. B) Change it from "Dolby Stereo Digital" to the shortened "Dolby Digital"


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Joe Redifer
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By the way, the version of the Train that is downloadable from the manuals page is NOT the original version. The original version has the whistle at the beginning and is longer (and much better). The version for download is the current version, and I have not seen a different version other than the original.

I will send Brad an MP3 of the original mix so he can put it on the site.

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Brad Miller
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Joe,

You've got it backwards. Let's crack open a sealed Train trailer version B (aka: "long version") and you will see what I mean.

The version in the manuals section IS the "A" version.

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Joe Redifer
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Ok no problem. But why would they put the "Dolby Digital" logo on the old version, but the "Dolby Stereo Digital" logo on the new version?

I still have the trailer I took the sound from, and that recording was made on September 20, 1994 - Long before any new version was released. (MiniDiscs write the recording date onto the disc).

Perhaps Somebody from Dolby could give us the entire history of the TRAIN trailer, complete with running times (the original one I have is about 45 seconds). The one on the site for download is only 30 seconds.


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Brad Miller
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1994 is definitely "B" version. The "A" version was only available during such releases as Batman Returns and Pure Country.

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Ari Nordström
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But the text "Dolby Stereo Digital" indicates that the trailer version is "A", yes?

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Brad Miller
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Ran a recent print of the Train tonight and it was awfully similar to the original "A" mix! It wasn't the same mix (the 5 "pings" at the beginning were mixed in too loud), but it's pretty close. It had a "Dolby Digital" logo at the end and not the original "Dolby Stereo Digital" logo tag.

Anyone from Dolby care to give a history lesson on what appears to be many different versions of this trailer? I'm counting 4 versions of this logo...and they are all simply called "Train"!

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Joe Redifer
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Actually on the one we ran last night Brad, there were only 4 pings in the beginning.

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Gordon McLeod
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joe the extra ping was probably lost with the ID frame

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Brad Miller
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Funny Gordon should mention that, as it opens up an entirely new can of worms.

Why won't the people who make policy trailers and sound logo trailers put extra black on the head and tails??? The SRD Train we screened last night cut in late...and we didn't even chop off the leaders!

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John Wilson
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Oh Gordon...

Right on Brad . Hey Lab-type-people! We need _BLACK_ from the '2' onwards on all trailers and tags until the first frame of projected image appears. _BLACK_ get it?

B-L-A-C-K. Got it?...Good.

(black)

Also, to those labs who are currently printing trailers for use in Australia (and you know who you are)...could you p-uh-leeeease!!! make sure you don't start the soundtrack while the image is still in the 'this film has yet to be classified' bit at the start. These tags must eventually be cut off and replaced with the censorship tag when they are finally censored meaning you are forcing us to cut into the soundtrack which sounds very shitty... _VERY_ shitty.

So, to summarize...

1. _BLACK_ from the '2' to the first frame of projected image.

2. Don't start the soundtrack in the censor tag.

Thank you for your attention. Now you can go about your business and no doubt completely ignore these suggested improvements.

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