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Author Topic: Prevost & Fumeo 35mm projectors Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2000 08:06 AM                     I always assumed that Prevost was started by some disgruntled Cinemecannicca employee that also thought that the gate and trap they use is a joke. Unfortunately he didn't know very much about oil seals and O-rings though. Mark  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2000 09:59 AM                     Prevost is and has always been an independent company. It maybe older than cinemecanica Prevost was a very early camera maker and they invented the flatbead editing table in the early 60's or late 50's Prevost has resold over the years the cinemecanica towers. There lamphouses used the same reflectors Most of there older machines didn't leak oil and the machines I got directfrom Italy don't either so I think it is the conversion to Bodine motors and those changes that started the problems I always fail to understand why people insist on reineventing the well  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-02-2000 12:47 PM                       Gordon, 'reinventing the well'?! Is that like, 'a penny saved is a penny for your thoughts'? ------------------ Better Projection Pays!  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2000 02:38 PM                     It has been a rough friday it should have been Wheel  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-02-2000 06:35 PM                       Heh, heh! ------------------ Better Projection Pays!  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-04-2000 11:36 AM                     Here is another projector from Italy does any one know anything about It is called Micron I found this picture on an Italian Motion Picture Website that I have since lost  |  IP: Logged Stefan Scholz Expert Film Handler Posts: 223 From: Schoenberg, Germany Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-04-2000 01:02 PM                        According to the leaflet, i read, the PIO PION factory is called "Prima Frabbrica Italiana Apparecchi Cinematografici. Csa fondata nel 1908.", meaning they claim to be the oldest of the Italian makers. Cinemeccano started 1920, basicly building an Ernemann Imperator clone. The two founders seperated after the war, one was the grandfather of the guy that builds Veronese projectors nowadays. This explains the close resembelance between Vic 4 and Veronese Diamant XV b projector. Cinemaccabnica has the highest output of projectors in Europe, about 1000 units a year, their max. capacity. It is a very traditional company, but uses modern production techniques. All other still existing Italian makers, were, when we visited them a couple of years ago, more or less garage type of toolshops, some using ther original foot cranked lathes, converted to electric motors in 1920+. At one maker maltese crosses were still totally hand crafted out of a block of iron, Cinemaccanica uses wax molded crosses finalized by hand to precise tolerances. The Micron was a projector built until the 50's, and the company disappeared. It was not very big, but they also made a couple of VistaVision style horizontal projectors in the mid 50's. I am not quite clear, if the Micron company of today (another garage type maker) making 35 mm portables is a followup, but as I remember it was the grandson or so.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-05-2000 08:10 AM                     I always felt the Fedi's looked like a Vic4 knockoff Doesn't veronesse use a barrel shutter? I have only once seen a picture of the Technirama machine called MicroLambda The photo was poor and showed a combo optical (vistavision) and a mag soundhead for techniramma Both were in the same houseing I also wounderd if the Kalee vistamachines did mag as well for techinramma as I understand the only mag century's were the ones for Williamsburg  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-05-2000 08:52 AM                     I laways thought that there was a family interconnection thing between at least two or more of the projector manufacturers over there. The designs are too similar to each other for that not to have been the case. If Brad ever gets around to posting the International Cinema Museum pictures there is a line up of Italian machines in there somewhere?????? Mark  |  IP: Logged Stefan Scholz Expert Film Handler Posts: 223 From: Schoenberg, Germany Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-10-2000 01:28 PM                        Fedi and Veronese are very simelar to the Vic 4, gearwise theese are straight helical gear train mechanisms copied from the well known and wide spread Ernemann 4/5 pre-war projectors. The Ernemanns, as well as the Fedi/ Veronese used barrel-type shutters with built in centrifugal fire-shutters, a very economical solution, but with the usual flaws when it comes to lamphouse designs and usable angles of light. This common background is the reason for the simelarity in design. Another direct Ernemann 5 copy is called "Walthurdaw 5" from Great Britain, which uses the exact blueprints of the original, but different so8undheads were added, as Britain was Western Electric / RCA license area, Italy and Germany were Klangfilm-Tobis license areas. Antonino Fedi's company stopped operation due to age in the early 80's. The resemblence between the Fedi 15 and the later Veronese Diamond XV b is very close, so I assume, even though never confirmed, there is family business involved.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-10-2000 08:06 PM                     There was a projector from Great Britian that used a plastic malteese cross in the movement. I wonder how long they lasted? What kind of plastic did they use? It may have been the BTH projector. Anyone ever seen one? Mark  |  IP: Logged Stefan Scholz Expert Film Handler Posts: 223 From: Schoenberg, Germany Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-11-2000 01:28 PM                        I know about the projector Marc is talking about, I do not remember the name of the maker. The gear was made of nylon precision theoreticly lasted for half a year, and was quickly replaced, at reasonable operating costs. I did not hear of any wide-spread installations.  |  IP: Logged Philippe Laude Film Handler Posts: 79 From: Longueville, Belgium Registered: Jul 99 posted 06-13-2000 01:39 AM                     Stefan, you wrote: "Another direct Ernemann 5 copy is called "Walthurdaw 5" from Great Britain" the right name is WAJTURDAW, but this surely doesn't matter for our north american friends. Phil  |  IP: Logged Stefan Scholz Expert Film Handler Posts: 223 From: Schoenberg, Germany Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-13-2000 08:31 AM                        Thanks Phil, I will look it up, it was just from my remembering.  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 06-13-2000 10:16 AM                     r u tring ta say thjat ammaricans cant spel! everyone nos we ar smartr than anyone els.  |  IP: Logged

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