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David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

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From: Melbourne Australia
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John,

Monaro? Banana fritters and cream? That is one we don't have but I would love to see it!

The two versions that we have are what we know as the "Chompy ads", as the first version (early 1970's) had a song and theme that went "chomp, chomp, munch munch etc".

I also remember the colour version of a drive-in ad with Holdens from the late 1950's.

I have a reel I use for training that is full of all those old drive-in ads, Australian and Filmack.....wouldn't let it out of my sight though! When next in Sydney I'll let you know. Do GU run any similar stuff at Blacktown or Bass Hill drive-ins?

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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Gordon, YES-IN-DEEDY! They did look cool! If you ever come across that manual, I'll gladly pay you dearly for a copy.

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Tim Reed
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David sez: >>What's next for your great site Tim?<<

Well, (thanks for remembering, btw) I plan on using it as advertising for my drive-in (and intermission) video series. Alas, I must upgrade my computer first, in order to finish the videos... which means extra $$$ I don't have at present. As soon as that happens, though, I will go forth in a big way.

Yes, the new drive-in book's very good. Incidentally, I sent Don Sanders about 70 photographs for that book, and he only used 2. How about you? He did use 4 of the 7 stories I sent him (two of which were credited to the people they were about).

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Joseph Pandolfi
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From: Milford, CT.
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Great feedback guys, I will check the drive-in website when I get off here. Scott: I hope you get good pictures of this. I have seen a photo like it of the Ashcraft in the South Park Drive-in on the pictures section here. Pete: Thanks for your share of drive-in misadventures. Aaron: I did not forget you for more memories.

By the way their website is www.wellfleetdrivein.com


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Joe Smith
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I've just finished taking many pictures of the booth and grounds of Hull's Drive-in in Lexington, Va. Hopefully some of them will be displayed here shortly. It originally opened in 1950 and most of the booth equipment is original. Two Brenkert BX-100 projectors with RCA Sound. This month they are removing one of the BX-100's to install a Potts platter in preparation for re-opening the drive-in, hopefully on Jun 30. They will also replace the old Enarc lamp housing with a 3Kw Xenon upgraded housing, and install an FM sound transmitter. The Drive-in's last full season of operation was in 1998 but it was open in 1999 for a two-day benefit to raise money to start a non-profit community owned operation.

Last night the projectors were fired up for testing using the original Enarc lamps after having been used only once in 1999. Everything worked fine and the projectors were very quiet, but both had noticable ghosting on the screen that adjustments should cure. The flat and scope lens are still the originals and were stored in the booth year round protected only by a coke cup!

Jim Boyd of Van Wert, Ohio provided the booth expertise for the testing and will be doing the upgrades. He had never been in this booth before but it was obvious by watching that he knew the equipment and felt like he had been there for years.


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Ken Layton
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Only a 3kw lamphouse for a drive-in? Must be a tiny screen. Personally, I would keep the booth as it is with carbon arc and changeovers! However, I would recommend adding the FM xmitter in addition to keeping the speakers, too.



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Chris Erwin
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Tim,

Thanks for telling us about the book! I gotta get it!!! P.S. I was at the Sky-Vue a couple weeks ago. Screen had work on it recently. Looks great! Opened week before Memorial Day Weekend.

Ken,
I know a Single Screen D.I. that uses a Super-Lumex w/2,000w bulb on a pretty big screen. If you're on the sides,it's a little dim. From front and center,it'll do.

--Chris

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Tim Reed
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Hi Chris! Did they fix the holes that were coming in from the back?

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Joe Smith
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Ken,

The speakers are going to be kept and used (all 320 of them) and they all worked last year during a benefit fund raiser held over labor day week-end (sold out one night and abot 50% the second despite the tail end of a hurricane blowing thru town). I don't know the rationale for the 3kw lamp. It may have been a donated one. The drive-in will be run by a local non-profit organization formed last year and lease/purchase negotiations were just recently completed, so funds for operations and capital improvements are just now becoming available. I expect the 3kw is a temporary thing to get thru this year. There was a strong desire from the operations staff to switch to xenon/platter because this is a small rural community and expertise to run change-overs in a 51 year old booth is not available. They may even have trouble finding a regular to simply thread (correctly)and push a few buttons. Finding someone to make up the prints is a different problem as well.

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Ken Layton
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Joe Smith:

I would hope that the 3kw is temporary. For driveins you really should have a 4kw.

I am glad just to see that the theatre is going to be opened and operating! Why doesn't the new owners go with 6000 foot large reels (2 machines). Are they going to operate 7 days a week? If the film is only shown 3 times or less then they should stay with reels. Nowadays you could get a set of large reel arms fairly cheap and run 6000 footers with just one changeover (usually) per feature. If they were to operate 7 days a week, then it would be ok for a platter.
On that Potts platter they're getting, is it an older one or new? If old, does it have any updates like drop-in control plates, or updated motor mounts/toggle handles, or if it has brake cable style variac or the slide rod variac?

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Scott Norwood
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It's great to hear of a drive-in that's re-opening, of course, but I really must question their booth "upgrades." Why would _anyone_ put a platter in a drive-in? Without even keeping the second projector as a spare! This is a real waste of money and effort, since it won't improve the presentation quality and the picture will almost certainly be dimmer than if they'd stuck with arcs. If I were running the place, I would have kept the booth as is and put the money into landscaping, a new coat of screen paint, and general grounds maintenance.

Don't misunderstand--I like platters for certain applications, but they just don't make sense for a drive-in. As for the training/lack-of-skilled-labor issue: I can train someone how to do perfect changeovers in about five minutes. How long would it take to show someone how to properly run a platter system (including makeup/breakdown, threading, and maintenance)?

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Gordon McLeod
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The 3K lamp maybe necassary because of the lack of 3phase power and the Strong switcher is good up to 3KW
I don't believe anyone makes a single phase rectifier larger than that.
I abhore putting platters in driveins in a hostile enviroment with no climate control

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Joe Smith
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Yes the 3-phase power is an issue right now. The cost to upgrade power will have to wait until more improvement funds are available (hopefully next year). The non-profit group taking over the operation needs to limit initial costs until they actually finalize purchase the drive-in (currently a lease-to-purchase option for 2 years). This year's funds will be spent on equipment needed to re-open the snack bar, fix some minor landscape problems and do some needed screen repairs.

There's a damaged spot right in the center of the screen that has to be repaired before opening, and sections of the screen aged differently since the original screen was for flat prints and scope wings were added later. In daylight the difference between the original portion and the add-on is very visible, (looks like some type of plywood or fibreboard backing in 4x8 sheets) but at night it only shows up on lighter background images. Not sure yet how much screen repairs will be done this year.

My personal preference would be to keep a change-over operation (and possibly adding a platter for occasional use with either projector) and upgrade the lamps to 4kw but I'm not on the decision-making committee (only the volunteer free-labor committee). My way of thinking is that it might be easier to teach someone to properly clean, thread and operate a change-over than to teach someone how to build-up and makedown prints every weekend since initially, the drive-in will only operate on Friday thru Sunday except for any special private showing during the week. Unfortunately there is not enough room in the booth to add a platter and still keep both projectors. The only way that could happen is to remove the existing mens restroom and expand the booth to take over that space (a possibility since the existing restroom is too small anyway. And the operations committee seems to be set in their opinion that it will take someone less specialized to operate the platter system than a change-over system. I'm not so sure. I think it might take more film handling expertise to do make-ups than to operate a change-over). Also, they seem intent on having the operator also help out where-ever he is needed (snackbar) grounds security, etc).

The second projector will be removed and preserved for possible re-use later and for spare parts to keep the primary one operational. The only maintenance techs currently available have to travel several hours from somewhere in North Carolina (Cinex?? possibly).

One of my concerns that nobody seemed to address yet is for a large cooling fan that blows into the booth from the front side (where all the local bugs hang out). It currently has no filter on it and only a medium mesh screen, and it is perfectly centered where the platter will go. Hope they have made some other ventilation plans...

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Ken Layton
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No matter where you put the platter at a drive in, the print will get covered with dust! Our ventilating fans combined with cars driving over the gravel suck dust into EVERYWHERE in the theater.

Please get them to stick with reels--large reels! They can still have someone from the booth work the snack bar and there would only be ONE changeover. You can also get longer carbons that will burn a one hour trim.
I trained a theater OWNER who had just taken over a closed theater and he didn't know anything about carbon arcs or changeovers. In about 20 minutes and some practicing, he was doing changeovers like a pro!

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Joe Smith
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Ken wrote:

"Only a 3kw lamphouse for a drive-in? Must be a tiny screen."

From the pictures I took (about 60), if the screen backing is 4x8 sheets the screen would be about 36x82, and the throw was estimated to be about 200 feet, maybe a little more but it wasn't measured. I'm not sure about this but I understand there is a length setting on the scope lens that was initialy set for 200 feet when it was installed for testing.

The reflected light from the center of the screen using the original carbon-arc with minimal adjustments measured from the booth window was about 1.2 lamberts (if that's the correct term), and it dropped off to .8 or .9 at the edges. The light from the other projector (also still carbon-arc and minimal adjustments) measured close to 2.2 lamberts with very little drop-off at the edges, and this lamp had damage to the reflector. The image produced by both projectors had a soft focus.

Both of the flat lens had the glue that holds the elements failing and both were dirty and scratched. The provider of the lamphouse and platter will also provide a better quality lens than the ones currently there.We're told the combination of replacement 3kw xenon and better lens will provide noticably more light.

Pictures to follow as soon as I pick out a few to upload to Brad.

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