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Topic: EX? Sorry, not with this title...
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Russ Kress
Expert Film Handler

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From: Charleston, WV, USA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-12-2000 06:46 PM
Surround EX uses pretty much the same technique that decodes left, center and right in analog stage channels to derive a third "center surround" channel in split surround applications. Leaving the EX feature enabled during a non-EX performance would send any surround information existing in both channels to the center surround channel leaving the side walls quiet. This is where the argument to leave it on originated from. I must admit, after installing and aligning four of them, it sure would be nice to actually turn them on once in awhile. "Mission To Mars" is gone and "Gladiator" leaves Thursday. Hey Hollywood!!! Throw us a frickin' bone here will ya? *Dr. Evil impersonation* Russ
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 07-03-2000 12:52 PM
Although EX can sound pretty damn cool in the hands of a master (Gray Rydstrom in Toy Story 2), it is otherwise a big doorstop lately. I just wish Gary would do more EX mixes, and that he would take all the time he needs to make them sound good.Curiously, Gary mixed the sound to "Rules of Engagement". No EX. If I were Gary, it would be in my contract that every movie I mix MUST be in EX --- That way the format I worked so hard to have created wouldn't be looked upon as a joke. Perhaps Hollywood didn't think that exhibitors were losing enough money at the time EX was created. After all, we ALL are extremely well off currently, right? We can all afford to spend tons of money on a box that won't be used very much and doen't offer much of a benefit unless you are playing Toy Story 2. Funny that the movie that it was designed for, Star Wars Ep 1, didn't utilize it well and the studio ripped the theatres off with contracts and high percentage returns on box office receipts. Way to go!
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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler
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From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 07-03-2000 04:36 PM
Russ wrote:"Leaving the EX feature enabled during a non-EX performance would send any surround information existing in both channels to the center surround channel leaving the side walls quiet. This is where the argument to leave it on originated from." This shouldn't leave the side walls completly silent. All EX is, is a home pro-logic circuit, literally. That information that is in BOTH channels would go to the center surround, but information that is in only one or the other would go to the side walls. Many Non-EX mixes sound BETTER in EX. ie "Deep Impact" sounds incredible in EX mode. Also Gray Rydstrom did an incredible job on "Rules of Engagement" without using EX. If not run in EX mode, you almost get a 'phantom' EX channel, which sounded incredible. I agree that after theatres bought all these EX units that they aren't getting enough of the 'proper' use. Anyone know if DTS is going to modify the home 6.1 channel format that I have heard about for cinema applications. 6.1 channels adds a DISCRETE center surround for home, very cool. ------------------ Dave Cutler "Do or do not, there is no try."
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Oscar Neundorfer
Master Film Handler

Posts: 275
From: Senoia, GA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 07-04-2000 11:47 AM
Regarding analog surround while in ex mode:If the automation part of the ex processor is hooked up correctly and is functioning properly, when the cinema processor reverts to analog, then the ex processor should also revert to non-ex mode. At least this is what happens with the SMART and PANASTEREO products. I believe this is also true with the SA-10 and DTS, although I could be wrong. ------------------ Oscar Neundorfer Chief Engineer SMART Devices, Inc. oscar@smartdev.com
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