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Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

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From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 07-22-2000 03:15 AM      Profile for Ari Nordström   Email Ari Nordström   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I must confess that I never really believed in either the TAP program OR the THX quality assurance. Five years ago, I worked at a newly opened multiplex here in Sweden. Two of the auditoriums were THX certified but their subwoofers leaked to the adjacent screens (and to a projection booth a floor below). I emailed the THX folks´about this but nothing ever happened. AFAIK, the THX people never even investigated the problems since the problems are still there. Nobody cared.

There are other problems with those two THX auditoriums, but I'm not going to bore you with the details. That task is hereby left to the THX division instead, in case they ever actually do visit...

Then there is the case of a THX single-screen here in town. The auditorium's got a balcony (which effectively destroys any chance for good sound) and less than adequate seating unless you're six feet, and it's a miracle that it ever got THX certified. That theatre pretty much destroyed whatever faith i had for the THX division.

As for TAP, I've never heard ANY comments from TAP re theatres here, good or bad. Now, that could very well be a management problem but the fact remains. I haven't heard of one single evaluation of a theatre here, even though the TAP program is supposed to be world-wide (or perhaps I'm wrong about this, Ted?).

Sorry for the harsh words but I needed to vent this.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 07-23-2000 12:03 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh! I can just imagine Brad and John P. sitting in the same auditorium doing a TAP eval.!!!

It goes something like...

"Dooo Dooo Dooo..." (sound effects of the Six Milion Dollar Man, zooming in with his bionic eye.)

Then this computer screen appears in their vision... (Like when Robocop homes in on the criminal.)

Then a monotone voice says, "UNACCEPTABLE".


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 07-24-2000 05:39 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ted Costas said: "In the old days, the TAP Evaluator was told to "flog" the theatre manager if there were glaring presentation problems, but the Lucas Legal Team quickly changed that policy."

Yeah, TAP took away my whip and told me not to punch out anyone in the theatre during an evaluation. I understand why the lawyers don't want to have direct contact between TAP evaluators and theatre personnel (if handled wrong, constructive criticism can escalate to destructive argument), but IMHO, fixing minor problems "on the spot" would be very helpful and usually appreciated by the theatre.

I'm sure Ted would welcome evaluations of films in the 1-800-PHONE-THX program by Film-Tech participants. See their website at http://www.thx.com/theatres/tap_800.html and enter your words of damnation or praise for other theatre's presentation quality. Remember to give the details.

I still encourage anyone who sees a problem at another theatre to immediately bring it to the attention of someone capable of fixing it. Sometimes getting to talk to THAT person is difficult, but the effort will be appreciated and worth it.

I also encourage theatres to "cultivate" a cadre of technically competent "movie buffs" to do subjective evaluations in exchange for free admission, using a form like the SMPTE Theatre Quality Evaluation Program or TAP.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


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John Walsh
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 - posted 07-24-2000 08:55 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I notice that in some towns or cities, one theater chain "owns" the area. So even if they have consistently poor projection, very little can be done.

Obviously, that's not TAP's fault.

Since the distributors pay for the TAP service, the data collected belongs to them. I do wish though, that the results were posted on the internet. Generally, people don't go to the movies often enough to notice which theaters are kept up, and which are not.

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Antonio Marcheselli
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 - posted 07-24-2000 12:51 PM      Profile for Antonio Marcheselli   Author's Homepage   Email Antonio Marcheselli   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How can I send a compliant to THX if the THX theater doesn't have any of the film listed in the TAP web pages? Also, since in Italy films are distributed few months after USA, I will never find in that theater a film listed in the TAP web pages...
How can I do?

Bye!

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Ted Costas
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 - posted 07-24-2000 04:38 PM      Profile for Ted Costas   Email Ted Costas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Who opened the floodgates? Are we bashing THX now...? I thought this site only bashed SDDS? (I'm kidding!!!) Well, we at THX do deserve a bashing now and again. We're not perfect... BUT WE ARE THE BEST THING GOING.

Ari N.: Please e-mail me directly details of anything, AND EVERYTHING, that is wrong with the two THX screens you are referring to in your previous post. Please give me details and I will get it to the right person. I have to admit, reading what you said, "that the THX sub-woofers leaked into the two adjacent auditoriums," well, we don't have specs for neighboring auditoriums... and besides, why would anyone be seeing a movie in a non-THX room anyhow? Yes, I'm trying to be funny, kind of...

And TAP in Europe, rare. We do work out there occationally, and hopefully more in the future, but most of our focus is on the American, domestic market. When talking Quality Assurance internationally, you have to consider rejuvinated prints, many different labs, small print orders per region, and other variables that we don't face domestically... but hopefully, in the next few years, TAP will be just as popular (or unpopular) internationally as we are here in the States.

Brad M.: The Studios know from previous years' TAP Reports that after a few weekends, many prints are badly damaged... Hence, they don't send us out there to tell them the obvious. We attend the first show, or a show in the first day, to have the time to help fix any problems as soon as possible, so that the first weekend audiences get their money's worth.

And seriously, if you do have specific THX complaints, e-mail them to me directly and I'll try and take care of it.

And when I said we received two positive PHONE THX calls... we may have gotten more, but we focus on the problem calls, the ones we can do something about. If we have time to write down or pass along a compliment, great. Yet most of the time, people call up with complaints, of titles we're working on, as it reads in the "end credit."

Best to all,

Ted Costas
Manager, THX Theatre Alignment Program


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Brad Miller
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"Brad M.: The Studios know from previous ears' TAP Reports that after a few weekends, many prints are badly damaged... Hence, they don't send us out there to tell them the obvious. We attend the first show, or a show in the first day."

Surely you agree that screening the first show of a brand new print is telling the studios the obvious fact that the prints are 99% of the time going to be fine. A month into the run would be FAR more helpful in my opinion. At least that way, the studios would know what theaters to send their junked screener prints to, since they will destroy whatever is sent to them anyway.

THX is a wonderful thing and I definitely support what TAP is trying to do. However, (opinion coming) sending out identical packets of information for TAP releases and checking only the very first performance of a print really doesn't do too much the way I see it. I can absolutely guarantee you those packets are not even opened in over half of the theaters nowadays because the projectionists know it will be an exact carbon copy of the last TAP alignment report they got. Half of the time those don't even show up until the Monday after the opening date anyway. Also, only the super biggie important theaters are ever checked. When is the last time the Village Twin in Whatever, USA was checked? If the studios really cared, they would let TAP be "the force" with power...meaning the power to pull a print from exhibition at that theater if something is found to be wrong. Alternatively, if theater level print damage is found, perhaps TAP could force the theater (with studio backing) to purchase a brand new print for the low, low price of $3000. Actions like those would make a difference. Sending out the same packets of instructions won't do anything. Has anyone else noticed that flyer that speaks of the "7 deadly projection sins" (or whatever it is called) completely fails to ever mention cleaning the projector?

Anyone else agree, or am I just too picky? Either way, I'm dreaming as the studios will never go along with it. Presentation will always suffer without good equipment, a good tech and good operators.

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Dave Cutler
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I agree with Brad regarding giving TAP more power. If theatre chains started having their prints pulled due to poor presentations there would be a bigger push for quality projection staffing. And perhaps more respect for those of us who are good.

Also I have tried applying to become an indepentant TAP evaluator several times. I never get ANY response. What gives? There are over 2 dozen THX houses in the Kansas City area and I can't believe they don't want a projectionist to work with TAP. Even an email stating they don't need anyone would be apreciated so I atleast know they got the app.

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Greg Anderson
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I've heard people "bash" THX before but I can offer that, around here, the THX-certified theatres are certainly more impressive than those which are not THX-certified. All aspects of the presentation are improved over the competition (and I'm talking about sound quality, picture brightness, focus, care of a print throughout a long run, seating, HVAC, etc.).

Of course, all the THX-certified theatres here were built to be THX-certified in the first place. Those which were built to THX standards by Cinemark and then were allowed to become non-THX theatres definitely dropped in quality after they dropped their certification.

Of course, I've been in some THX theatres here which are better than some others here, which violates the promise that "you're getting exactly what the filmmaker intended." But I'll take any of them over the non-THX theatres just the same.

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John Walsh
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If TAP (or anyone) tried to enforce their rules on any theater, the theater owners would complain that the studios are trying to "run" them again, like before the decree. And, they would have legal ground to stand on if product was denyed to them (to force improvements or even repairs.)

I think Ted is right; the only way rid ourselves of bad theaters is to let the patron "vote" with their dollars.

But as I said, that information needs to be made public, so the public can decide for themselves. As long as it remains within the "closed" confines of distribution and exhibition, (I feel) TAP effectiveness is drastically reduced and perhaps circumvented. For example, it is easy to imagine an owner (with a poor TAP rating) bribing a distributor to "look the other way" and still get product- or a distributor blackmailing the owner.

From the public's point of view, TAP is a black hole of information going in, but very little comming out. If we all *really* want to clean up the industry, bad theaters need to be exposed publicly.

TAP is a great idea, and even now I fully support it, but presently it is operated as a sort of "star chamber."

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Marc Jones
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 - posted 07-24-2000 09:31 PM      Profile for Marc Jones   Email Marc Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know all the the hoops that you have to jump through for THX certification and I have read the TAP packets that come to the theatre, but it boils down to 1 thing, someone not doing there job right.
If there is a problem it needs to be corrected (before a custumer comes out to complain) with the focus, brightness, sound, scratches, then the film isn't being checked and I don't mean looking out the port hole. I'm sure with the larger chains you have floor staff that can make it into an auditorium during the first 15 mins of a show.
You know you really have to be doing something wrong if you have someone waiting through some credits so they can report you to TAP hotline.

My two cents.

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Charles Lubner
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Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 07-25-2000 01:29 AM      Profile for Charles Lubner   Author's Homepage   Email Charles Lubner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to agree with Brad on the THX packets...they are redundant and often ignored. I'm sorry, but the advice given in them is not going to be helpful to a theatre on a day to day basis. Generally it goes like this "For the print of James Bond #25, please put a fresh xenon bulb in, have a tech re-EQ your theatre, calibrate your platters, oil your projector and file your aperture plates". It's just not going to happen. Bulbs are expensive, and service work is done quarterly. I do like the colored Booth Tips reprints from Box Office Magazine, but please, the same 6 sheets show up year after year!!

And finally, if the director of a film is going to write a "personal" letter to the theatre manager/projectionist, try to fake the "personal" part a little better :-)

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Russ Kress
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 - posted 07-25-2000 02:16 AM      Profile for Russ Kress   Author's Homepage   Email Russ Kress   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For what it's worth, I think that the THX TAP program is well intended, but a bit dangerous.

Sending instructions for aligning A-Chains to who ever happens to open the mail at the theatre can't be good. It would be easy for a non-qualified person to "get lost" in the instructions and really FUBAR a sound system.

Been there, seen that!

What about a network of people who could visit theatres in a given area and inform owners if they needed to consult a technician? This way, there is no tinkering going on on the part of (although well meaning) non qualified "adjusters".

The evaluator could even be from a competing theatre. A bad theatre experience is just that. In the end, it doesn't really matter who caused it.

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Scott Norwood
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I agree with the others about the TAP packets--anyone with the knowledge and desire to do the things listed in them would have already done them. Many of us would like to, say, do full A-chain alignments periodically but work at small theatres that don't get regular tech visits and don't have the proper materials (test films, oscilloscope, RTA, etc.) to do the work. I, for one, would be absolutely delighted if TAP allowed theatres to borrow or rent cheaply a full set of test films, scope, etc. I realize that this would be dangerous in the wrong hands, but it would really help to improve presentation quality in theatres that are ill-equipped to properly align their projection and sound equipment.

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timothy johnson
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I recently saw Perfect Storm at a Loews 4 plex here in Minneapolis, it was advertised as being in DTS sound, the film was presented in optical God knows what when I went to see it, I told the manager I was unhappy with the presentation, and I got my usual free pass for a future visit. I think any theater showing a film with major flaws should make ith worth the while of the customer to come back again, and if it sucks time after time, that patron will not come back. It's as simple as that. But since most Joe Blows don't care about about a great theater experience, a mageplex will not fix it, if the public quit coming because of quality, it would click, and those theaters would be improved. the public will avoid a restaraunt with bad food and dirty surroundings and force them out of business, but the public goes with status quo at bad movie theaters. and those theaters just hang in there like a cancer.

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