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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Its a Mega. Projector is the dual intermittant job. Runs nice but the Peavey processor and speakers leave something to be desired. I can now understand why Peavey has shut down that end of its operation. Its a 60 by 80 foot matte white screen, and the light level is around 5 fl give or take a bit. Pretty poor, and with dark corners. Probably should have been a coated screen.
A Kinoton retrofit assembley installed in the existing shell would probably do about 7 to 9fl with a new 7kw lamp. A 10kw version of the Kinoton is also available. It only costs about the price of 3 new 10kw lamps!! They are running a huge Strong High Reactance rectifier. Also somewhat questionable practice from my past experiences. The projector runs very well, nice and steady, and quiet. The lamp is the main problem here though.
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John Eickhof
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I too have ended up removing all the Hi Tech units I serviced in four states...poor cue
activation, poor quality switches, and of course...soldered in relays of substatially under rated size! Long live the Kelmar and Eprad systems!!! ( I have thrown away over
two dozen of them!) Oh well, "lowest price
often reflects quality level"

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Tim Reed
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quote:
Ian, Please restrain from badmouthing a product when you have one product out of two fail.

Hey, that's a 50% failure rate!

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Richard Hamilton
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Hey Tim,
I'm surprised nobody made any remarks about that comment sooner! What I meant was to have ONLY one unit fail

Rick

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Ian Price
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How did my Hi-Tech Automation System fail?

Hi-Tech HTD-11 serial #1329

The first time we noticed something was wrong was when the film shut down in the middle of the performance. We spent some time looking for errant cues.

It shut down in the middle of shows for about a week usually one or two shows per day. We just started them up again.

The problem was that it shut the shows down randomly but multiple times per show. The it would shut down but continue motor so by the time the audience got restless and sent someone out to find an employee and they found us and we went to the back booth 10 minutes of the film had run through the projector.

Then it would close the dowser and run merrily along.

Then, and I really like this one, it would turn off the projector motor and leave the lamp on, thus treating the audience to the melting, burning film show. Of course with polyester film it didn't break and drop the fail-safes.

I called Megasystems and they told me it was a power supply issue. I tried all the connections but that didn't seem to solve the problem. Megasystems didn't offer to send a new power supply to find the problem.

Finally we ran manually for two months before we could get the units replaced with the afore mentioned 20 year old Kelmar Maxi 10 C Automations.

Now the films start and stop with pleasant assuredness and we no longer risk cracking a lens because the xenon light is shining through the unprotected lens. And we no longer have pissed off audience because there show was ruined. We don't have to give out canceled show passes anymore.

Our 30-year-old projectors and 20-year-old automations keep singing along and earning us a dime.

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Tim Reed
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Rick:
Yeah, I know what you meant, I'm just foolin' around...
I know how stuff like that goes and I can empathize with you. If there's one unit in a hundred that has a problem, it'll be installed in a single or a twin somewhere; one that can least afford to have trouble, or swap parts easily!!!! Happens every time!

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Brad Miller
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Ian,

If Megasystems doesn't want to be bashed in a public forum (or via private conversations), they SHOULD have made the attempt to take care of you. Had they offered to send you out a new power supply and your original one was defective from years and years of use, I'm sure you wouldn't have minded footing the bill. Of course, if your automation was only a couple of years old, they should be paying for it. Now I have no problem believing MegaSystems puts out a good product and for all we know you have the ONLY unit that has ever failed. However, since they basically didn't offer anything to help you, as rude as this may seem...they've got it coming. I guess it's a good thing Joe doesn't have one of those units to review.

By the way, those Kelmar automations may not do 1000 different functions like some of the new fancier ones can, but they are pretty darned reliable!


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Aaron Flack
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I actually have not had any problems with the High-Tech automations, except for the one that I mentioned earlier. All 8 of them are nine years old and very basic. Our Smart processors do more commands than the HT's. Of course our MODIV processors have not worked right in months(according to the other projectionist because I've only been here less than two months).

IF ANYONE IS ON THIS TOPIC, READ THIS STORY, YOU MIGHT RELATE TO IT.

Oscar from Smart,
I called that number you gave and talked to a guy named Don about my audio problems. He gave me several solutions, including sending out a Smart technition. I told him we did have a regional tech. from Carmike who works on all our equipment, but is hard to get out here and has not fixed our audio problems in the past. I think Don understood that this was not an emergency, I just wanted some suggestions as to what I could do. Then tell my manager. He gave a number and told me to call a lady at Carmike's technical service. Apparently that was a HUGE mistake. I called the lady and briefly explained the problems. She told me to call our tech. back(we had called him a few weeks ago) and that he should be available, and if their were any problems just to call her back. She also told me our supply company,'Capitol City', was not at the time available for getting the booth supplies we need, which was important information.

Anyway, 10 min. after what I thought was a well understood conversation, one of the managers comes up to the booth and tells me the city manager just called told us never to do that again.
Apparently the lady from Carmike had immediatly called our city manager and informed him of my conversation. But I have no clue what she sayed. I then later got bashed by our so-called booth manager for making calls like that, especially to the home office. I thought I was talking to the technical department? He and everone else that knows that our Carmike technition is the most difficult person in the world who blames every single problem on the projectionist and then doesn't fix it. But he's under contract and is union, so nobody can touch him. I was simply trying to get some second opinions from people who ACTUALLY MADE THE THING!
I appreciate Don's help, but it backfired! This is what I get for trying to improve the booth.

I don't know about the rest of you and how you deal with your companies and management, but Carmike does not seem to give a damn about their employees, managers, or especially, their theaters.

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Brad Miller
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I have a feeling Don was trying to help. (I've heard nothing but excellent comments about the Smart reps backing their products and helping whenever they can. I've never had one of their units fail where I needed to call in myself.)

A very pathetic story indeed. Is there a competitor you might move over to that would appreciate your efforts in striving for the best presentation possible?

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Oscar Neundorfer
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Aaron,

First of all, PLEASE do not give up on trying to improve your presentation. Your customers are paying their hard-earned money, and they deserve the best you can do for them.

I do want to discuss your problems with you, but in view of the difficulties you encountered, I would be happy to discuss this privately with you if you will call and ask for Oscar at 1-800-457-6728.

I don't understand why management sometimes gets so upset when people are trying to do the right thing and make things better, but it happens. Sometimes the chain of command comes into play, and you have to play within the rules. I do not know what Carmike's rules are concerning projectionists getting directly involved with calling manufacturers, but you might want to investigate this to make sure you are handling it correctly.

My MAIN concern is that you have SMART equipment which you say is not working correctly. This does at least 2 things: it makes your customers and me unhappy, and it reflects badly on SMART's reputation. I do NOT want to be unhappy, and so I want to make sure we get this resolved to everyone's satisfaction. If you are so inclined, give me a call, or if you are hesitant, ask your manager to call me. One way or the other, we will get this taken care of.

Best regards,

Oscar Neundorfer
Chief Engineer
SMART Devices, Inc.

oscar@smartdev.com


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Gordon McLeod
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John Eickof wrote:"I too have ended up removing all the Hi Tech units I serviced in four states"
We had a 4 plex that had Eprad copoerators that expanded to an eight plex with the 4 new screens getting Hitechs.
After one month they wanted to know if they could get used cooperators to replace them with.
They had also had random shutdowns and switch failures.
The cooperators were not perfect but they were at least familiar with dealing with their quirks

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Gord,
Actually the Co-Operators were not all that bad. The build quality was pretty good,relays plugged in and out, and they were about on a par with a Kelmar Maxi 7. The functions were very limited though. I had several theaters using them back in the Midwest, and I think one Drive In is still using them. I don't recall ever having to fix them either.
Mark


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Gordon McLeod
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The only big thing I disliked was useing them in changeover pairs and providing pulse type contacts for dimmers and curtains
The Eprad Auditorium programmer was a help

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Bill Purdy
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A lot of folks have kept their co-operators alive by adding one of our FM-35 cue detector/QX-10 cue expander combinations. This got them the extra functions they needed. In some cases some of the pulses from the FM-35 have to be stretched out long enough to allow the cams to rotate enough to operate the microswitch that keeps the motor running.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Bill,
Thats a really good idea!! I bet it would work for those using Kelmar maxi 7's too. They did make an accessory auditorium controller but I never liked them. Someone always managed to get things out of sync and have the curtains close when the film started, or vice versa.
Mark

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