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Nic Margherio
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I am very suprised to learn that AMC now uses Christie lamphouses, for years all their new complexes were exclusively Strong. I have always considered the Stong Highlight II lamphouse to be the "weak link in the chain" as far as our projection equiptment goes.

As for Torus screens, AMC does not install them anymore, nor do they install any kind of "revision" to it either.

The Sony DFP-3000 reads and displays text information encoded on the S-side of an SDDS soundtrack. This ties in with the "Fader Automation" feature which allows one to store different fader levels for each trailer (or reel as the case may be). This is a VERY powerful tool to combat excessive trailer levels. At my theatre, each and every trailer is played at -4dB, and "problem" trailers are played at -8dB. Automatically. Every show. Every day.

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Randy Stankey
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I don't see a problem with three guys running 24 screens if it is done right.

Opener comes in early to thread. I like this sometimes because people won't bug you and you can just do your work by yourself. Once all are threaded, you just have to start them. Can be done by one guy.

Mid-shifter comes in at about 2pm. Just before the first round starts to end. Two guys run the place until about 6pm.

Closer comes in at 6. Opener goes home. Two guys run the booth until the last show of the night starts. Mid-shifter goes home.

Closer baby sits the last shows, and shuts down. Since the movies drop one at a time, any cleaning can be done as they drop. A guy who stays on top of things will often find that he has time to go out and have a quick smoke.

The caveat is that you have to be good enough that no mistakes are made. Once you get behind, you could be in trouble. Breakdowns are a factor, too but that should be rare enough to be a minor concern.

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Dave Cutler
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Gregory, more than likely the StoneBriar will have atleast 8 SDDS-8 houses. That's standard procedure for AMC. The four middle 'big' houses will all be SDDS-8 as well as the two biggest on each wing. If the house numbering is consistant, you will be looking for houses 4, 5, 11, 12, 13, 14, 20 & 21 for SDDS-8.

Paul, are you sure that NONE of the screens are perforated. AMC typically installs a variety of screen in one complex. Here at BarryWoods 24 I have 3 different types of screens. There is a 2" hole in the port glass? How do they keep the projector noise from leaking into the auditorium?

Running a 24+ plex with 3 shift is not that hard. I have one opener come in 1 hour before the first show to thread all 24. They start the first round alone (they are usually someone with enough experience to not have a problem). They also run the 2nd psuedo round alone (all the short movies that have that extra show time). 2nd shift starts at 4:00 and they work untill just after 10:00 when the last show starts. Closer comes in at 6:00 and closes down the building alone. If I have someone less experienced they only work the 4-10 shift untill they are up to speed. Thursday, Friday and Saturdays are a different story though. On Thursday I am in as a non-operator so I can make sure everything is built, screened and torndown. On Friday and Saturday I try and have two openers and two closers as well as the 3rd non-op person on Fri and Sat night to 'trouble shoot' (usually me).

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Gordon McLeod
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At most of the AMC's here in Ontario the 4 big screens in the centre are solid with 3 full range and one sub on the top above the sheet and 5 surrounds on each side wall and no rear channel. The three largest on each outside end are perforated screens with 3 stage channels
the rest are solid with the speakers above the screen and 3 surrounds on each side wall

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John Pytlak
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Why would anyone use a non-perforated screen, except for a Torus Screen, where you need to suck the screen into the compound curve? Yes, the perforations might be visible "close up" and cost a bit of light, but not being able to mount the speakers behind the screen is a real issue for sound placement.

The only other issue I have heard regarding perforated screens that might give reason for an unperforated screen is "interference" with the pixel structure of Digital Cinema projectors. I recall that Harkness Hall actually had to develop a new smaller perforation to minimize interference with the pixels, known as the "MP" (mini-perforation) screen: http://www.harknesshall.com/data1.htm

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Paul Konen
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I checked a couple of the screens and they were not perforated.

The two inch hole has a sliding cover on it to close when not in use.

I forgot about one thing. The Millenium head has a rubber type pad roller that directly contacts the image area to provide pressure to the soundhead for turning. Unlike the Christie that has an o-ring that rides on the perforation to provide sound head rotation.
This could be a problem if the rubber pad is not kept free of debris.


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John Pytlak
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Paul said:

"I forgot about one thing. The Millenium head has a rubber type pad roller that directly contacts the image area to provide pressure to the soundhead for turning. Unlike the Christie that has an o-ring that rides on the perforation to provide sound head rotation. This could be a problem if the rubber pad is not kept free of debris."

I agree that it is very important to keep anything that contacts the image area of the film free of anything that may abrade or damage the film surface. However, in my experience, if the "rubber" is soft enough, and the roller turns freely without film slipping against it, the risk of damage is low. With age, these types of rollers may harden or develop flat spots, and should be replaced when they do. I find an excellent cleaner for these surfaces is 90+ percent isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol using a clean dampened wipe. (The "pre-moistened" alcohol wipes or pads sold to clean CRT screens and tape recorder capstans work well). Keep the alcohol (or ANY solvent) away from bearings.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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Gordon McLeod
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MG Chemicals makes an excellent product for use with the rubber pinch roller called rubber reneuw
It will resoften and swell back up shrunken and hardend rollers and tape head capstans

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David Koegel
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Gordon: By any chance, do you have some contact information for MG Chemicals? I can think of many uses for "rubber renew" outside the booth. [and NO, I wasn't thinking about inside the bedroom either ] - David

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John Pytlak
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David:

Here's a link that I found for "Rubber Renue" :
CLICK HERE

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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Brad Miller
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I still maintain the BEST way to solve that rubber pinch roller problem is to remove the damn thing all together. Take a media cleaner rubber shaft insert and trim it to size (just barely over the width of the original pinch roller), install it in it's place and re-do the A-chain. From there, you will NEVER have to pay it any attention again and you don't have to make sure you open the sound gates at night to prevent flat spots on the roller either (which make for a nasty wow in the sound).

Pat Moore,

Any chance something similar could be standard on future machines?

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Kevin Crawford
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Brad, what is the difference in the film cleaning roller, vs the simplex roller?

I have noticed that my film cleaning rollers have swollen up by using film guard. Actually, that is my only complaint with it. It far exceeded my expectations. However, I have to take the cardboard tubes off with a screw driver now. Wouldn't an oily environment, such as an uncleaned projector, make these swell?

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Brad Miller
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I haven't notice it in regards to the Simplex drums and I was at one theater for 5 years straight using FilmGuard (before it's release and before I realized I could use that modification I described above) without any problems.

Use the plastic takeup cores that come with the Fim-Tech media pads or that come enclosed with the FilmGuard bottles as takeup cores. That will solve your problem permanently.


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Gordon McLeod
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here is the link to rubber renue http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/408a.html

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Jason Burroughs
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The AMC Grand 24 in Dallas was AMC's 1st ultra-megaplex, actually the first in the nation. So I would imagine that they learned quite a bit from it, although it looks like they kept the same general layout design. The largest screens are Torus, SDDS-8, DTS and Dolby Digital, with the DTS and Dolby processors being on rolling mini sound racks. The bigger auditoriums are 1, 6, 9, 12, 13, 16, 19, 24. also the 2 smallest auditoriums are equiped to handle the DTS and Dolby formats as well (#5 and 20) All sound racks consisted of Ultra Stero processors (No SR) Ultra Stero booth monitors /lamp excitors, and Crown amps in a tri-amped configuration. ALL screens were not perforated and had the highs and mids mounted above the screen and the LF and subs below the screen. 1 surround speaker on each side of the auditorium, Tiled booth floor, and open ceiling (no acoustical ceiling) with the booth essentially being the return duct for the AC/system as well. All projectors A/C were done by twist and lock connectors, so the projectors could be easilly moved if necessary. also an additional connector was installed at certian auditorums to accomodate future projectors, which was used for an interactive digial presentation ( I don't remember the name of it) where both projectors sat side by side. This was when the theatre opened and I'm sure things have changed since, to some degree.


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