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Mitchell Cope
Master Film Handler

Posts: 256
From: Overland Park, KS, United States
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-21-2000 11:21 AM

I think Brad meant to say, "Detailed descriptions and pictures of the ideal spots to cut trailers are now on the "Tips" page."

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-21-2000 02:53 PM

Mitchell, oops you are correct. Oh well, everyone here is smart enough to figure out what I meant.

John, can you pitch to them to get completely rid of that "tv cue mark" just before the green band starts? Also, I would like to see a total elimination of those "clear edge marks" that the Deluxe lab is so proud of.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 08-21-2000 03:17 PM

Brad:

Could you send me actual trailers with the undesirable flare on the black head leader, and with the unnecessary TV cues? Also, examples of bad packaging. Showing actual film examples to these committees is much more effective than describing them, or just showing photos.

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Brad Miller
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posted 08-21-2000 03:30 PM

Certainly. I'll start a collection. When do you need them by?

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-21-2000 04:37 PM

Brad -- nice job with the "how to deal with trailers" page.

Does anyone actually use the box method or the floor method of handling trailers? I'd like to think that those pictures were attempts at humor, but I've seen enough trailers that look like they were actually treated this way to wonder about this...

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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler

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From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 08-21-2000 04:50 PM

When I was first trained, the 'box method' was the way that I was shown, so it does indeed happen. I stopped using that method years ago, at the time I just thought it was too tedious. It is much easier, and better, to just hang the trailer on the autostop roller and pull it onto a core. I don't know how many people I have shown that to. They always think I am a some kind of genius, but it seems like common sense to me.

I have another way to breakdown an entire center ring. We take a center ring (ring and all) and mount it onto a large split reel. (These had to be drilled for the center ring pins) and then rewind the trailers onto cores using the buildup table. This way there is no chance of the film becoming tangled and ending up on the floor. Of course if we are just removing a single trailer from a preshow you have to use the method Brad described.

I also know another way of breaking down entire center rings using only the MUT.

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 08-21-2000 05:07 PM

Using the stop roller or a core on the other shaft of the rewind bench just seems like common sense to me, too. Regardless of how gentle (or not) it is on the film, the box method just looks like more trouble than it's worth, and the floor method just looks like something a preschool student would come up with.

Maybe it's just because I'm more familiar with reel-to-reel booths than platters, but the fastest way for me to break down an entire centre ring is just to rewind it onto a reel (using the makeup table) and then break it down at the rewind bench just like I would do in a reel-to-reel booth...

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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posted 08-21-2000 10:16 PM

Nope, neither of those methods were a joke. In fact, I've personally worked in booths where the projectionists was using those techniques and in both instances, thought that was THE best way to do it. Some people are just too damned hard headed to be shown a better way to do things. Oh well.

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 08-22-2000 07:03 AM

Brad:

I just need the trailers with examples of poor leader/packaging practice by the end of September, in plenty of time to show to the Inter-Society and SMPTE committees at ShowEast in October.

I will also show copies of the trailer handling/splicing "Tips" now on Film-Tech.

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