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Author Topic: What causes a print to be loose or tight? Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-21-2002 06:38 PM                     Guess What? In this booth, two of the Christie Platters have U shaped legs and this was indeed one of them. Brad: Can I still tinker with the rewind spring like you were suggesting when I thought this was a unit with V legs? ------------------ And, hey! Let's be careful out there. ~Manny.  |  IP: Logged Kara J. McVay Film Handler Posts: 95 From: Delaware, OH Registered: May 2002 posted 12-07-2002 09:15 AM                        I thought this would be a good place for my question. I have a very loose print of LOTR (I am showing it to my local university, not the public), anyway reels 1-4 all have sprocket perfs on the sound side. When it came to me reels 1-4 were all stuck together because of being shipped loose. I had over 200ft of film on the floor trying to fix this mess, it was just all over the film cans, very dirty:( Needless to say I don't want to ship it back this way. Does anyone know a way to make it wrap tighter when I ship it back? It is still very loose on my platter. The print of "Treasure Planet" is just fine on the same platter. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance,  |  IP: Logged Shaun Flichel Film Handler Posts: 42 From: Regina, Sask., Canada Registered: Sep 2002 posted 12-07-2002 09:22 AM                     I also have a question reguarding take-up tightness. We are lucky to have to use those stupid switcheroos, it would be alot better if the print was alittle tighter when it comes to moving prints. I just thought of the idea on move nights, maybe to hang some sort of weight off the yo-yo, i believe this would work, but I dont know how many ounces would be ok for this, I guess I will play when I go in tonight. Shaun  |  IP: Logged Shaun Flichel Film Handler Posts: 42 From: Regina, Sask., Canada Registered: Sep 2002 posted 12-07-2002 09:24 AM                     BTW Kara, just break it down as usual, and if your still worried about it flying all over the cans, tape the end with a long piece of masking tape to ensure it stays put. Shaun  |  IP: Logged Darren Crimmins Expert Film Handler Posts: 130 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 12-07-2002 12:29 PM                     If you are only concerned with shipping out the reels that are tight enough, you could do a normal breakdown, then transfer the reels to your rewind bench. You can then set the tension however you wish with the adjustment on the counterweight (probably not the right term) to have the reels properly tightened. I know you can do that on a Kelmar rewind bench, but not sure about others.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-07-2002 02:01 PM                        Taking off onto reels on your makeup table, then rewinding is your best option. Be careful not to cinch the loosely wound roll, trapping abrasive dirt between the slipping convolutions of film, causing cinch marks. For winding onto cores, I much prefer rewinds that use "pressure wind" or a buildup roller rather than having to tension the film for a tight wind.  |  IP: Logged Andrew Duggan Expert Film Handler Posts: 127 From: Albany, NY, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 12-08-2002 03:02 AM                        I had the same problem with my Christie AW3s at my old theater. These were also the V-legged ones. The winds weren't so loose that it caused any major problems, but this was in a mall that had two theaters, an 18plex that ran new prints and a 12plex that showed the 2nd run prints. So every Thursday, we had to move two or three of these spongey prints across an entire mall. I don't reccomend this. I quit just about the same time that one of the other projectionists dropped "A Walk To Remember" in mid-mall, right in front of Best Buy. I would pay good money to get the 5 hours of security video of him sitting on the floor, in the middle of a mall at 4am, trying to get the print back together again...  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-15-2004 09:39 AM                 It has been 677 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 10-15-2004 09:39 AM                        Greetings all , well I am looking for some answers for a loose print problem. One I have not experienced before. Yesterday we built the print of "Collateral" it was quite loose on the plate more than normal. After it was run today I expected it to be tight , it was still quite loose . We are running 12 different films on all platter plates and they are all winding tight except for this one print of Collateral. It has been run on 2 platteres and on different plates and the result is the same. The platters are C/meccanicas . Any ideas ?  |  IP: Logged Bill Langfield Master Film Handler Posts: 280 From: Prospect, NSW, Australia Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-15-2004 10:10 AM                        Hey, Phil. Need more info. Was the print NEW? Was the print from Atlab or some dodgy place O/S? What is the film stock code? (just asking that incase our ones start shredding, been happening a lot lately) Did the print come from a ('Red Carpet' preview) Hoyts cinema? (that could be your problem RIGHT there) Have you tried running sound track up? My guess is that it has slight perf damage. I'd feel the the perfs as it runs to determine. Bill.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 10-17-2004 02:24 AM                        thanks Bill, I know the print was used, The code # 238 3 617 436 103 Kodak 29.2.004p Print copy # 126 Phil  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 10-17-2004 06:22 AM                        Slight perf stretching would be my first guess too, followed by a manufacturing fault with the antistatic layer. That would only be likely to affect one reel rather than the whole print, though. Is it especially loose at one place in the roll or evenly loose throughout?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-17-2004 03:15 PM                        quote: Leo Enticknap Slight perf stretching would be my first guess too, followed by a manufacturing fault with the antistatic layer. I agree that stretching or perf damage may cause winding difficulties, but changes in the conductive antistatic backing would likely only affect propensity to "static cling".  |  IP: Logged

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