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Michael Barry
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 - posted 08-19-2000 09:54 AM      Profile for Michael Barry   Email Michael Barry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, I've got it:

The 'Cinevar' is a model number M65 which lists on Scneider's website as a 'Cinelux' converter. They must have used that designation at some point or in this region.

So, the backing lens on the cinevar is a 65MM lens for 1.85:1 as I've said but the backing lens on the anamorphic is a 70MM lens. These are in separate turrets, which as we've said is a very strange way of doing things.
Therefore, the cinevar must have the function of shortening the focal length of the 65MM prime in order to fill the screen. Why anyone would opt for this combination is still a mystery.


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David Johnson
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The M65 (and simular) do have other applications as well as correcting focal length. We use them mainly when an old model FP20/30 is used with a short focal length, with these the image will clip on the front of the projector housing due to the turret being set back into the projector. By using a suitable combination you get the front of the lens closer to the port and stop the cliping. Later model of the Kinoton have the front cut away.
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David Kilderry
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David,

Even with the later FP 20/30's having the cut-away, projector body modification is still required if going past 30mm! I would imagine adding length (and elements) would not help picture quality either, but it's academic when under 30mm, the picture is compromised anyway.

These short focal lengths cause other problems, the picture notwithstanding; we have a couple where the picture on the port glass is 800 wide!

I still maintain that Schneider will always give a better picture when compared to most other brands. Try pulling a Sankor and replace with new Schneider and you'll see what I mean.

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John Wilson
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The throw at Michael's theatre is not short, but the screen is humongous! Great for scope but unfortunately, they don't have 70mm.


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John Walsh
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Playing around with numbers here, but they don't seem to add up right...

If Michael's theater uses a 70mm lens for scope, I figure the 1.85 lens would have to be something like 45mm. Yet, it's a 65mm? I don't know of any adapter that would change tha focal length that much.

I'm assuming that the scope prime lens is 70mm, and there's no magnacom or any kind of enlarging/reducing adapter with it; just the regular anamorphic adapter (I'm using that as my "fixed" reference, since I don't know the size of the screen or the throw.)

Have I got some numbers wrong?

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David Johnson
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David, Sankor are a great lens for silent films when you wan't a soft focus effect.
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Michael Barry
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David K: It's a Vic 8 with an automatic turret/aperture changer. I'm not sure if the turret is third party but it seems to be a cinemeccanica design, similar to their manual turrets...

Tim K: I've put the idea forward, and we're going to try to replace that combo with a prime. You mentioned that somewhere between 37.5 and 42.5 should do it...let's hope they go for it so we can lose those Cinevars...

Thanks to everyone for their help again!


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Gordon McLeod
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You will probably find that the shorter lens will hit the inside of the turret or the side of the anamorphic (been there and made the video many times)
Also a magna com would work with the 65mm as the normal single backing system would use the back up for the scope and a magnacom would reduce it to the flat focal length as was done in the Century automatic THe westrex7000 and the Pro35 changer

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