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Aaron Sisemore
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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 09-16-2000 05:28 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>>Speaking of water-cooled apertures, are they all that common anymore?<<

Yes, I use water-cooled gates for any installation with a lamp 3000W and greater.

>>I'd also like to have a huge picture window in my booth so that everyone can "see the action".<<

We have a booth in our Angels Theatre that used to be a cry-room so it has a big picture window in it and its low enough to see everything inside. We designed one of the booths in our 16-plex (that unfortunately we had to sell off to Pacific) that had a 'show booth' with a glass wall that patrons could see the workings as they entered the main hallway to the auditoria. Pacific must not have like that idea as the wall was ultimately built solid.

Aaron
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Gracia L. Babbidge
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From: Bowdoin, Maine
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green booths? green?!

I get sick of staring at gray all the time, but I think that green would drive me batty! I've seen five booths that were in a gray color scheme, one that was a dark-grayish fake-wood panelling job (yuck!), and one that had walls painted off-white! Talk about needing your shades to operate the machines!
I tend to refer to my booth as 'The Dungeon', as it is dark and one end of it just feels creepy, like someone is constantly watching you...

It would be kind of neat if the audience could see the 'magic' that puts the film on screen by having huge windows by the machines, but I don't even want to think about what kind of sound-proofing measures would have to be taken! >_<
Heh, bigger portholes would be nice though. In my Dungeon, there are three portholes by each machine, one for the slide projector, one for the film projector, and one for the projectionist to spy on the autiorium. Relatively small portholes too. The third porthole is relatively useless to me.
I'd like them to be a twisker lower on the wall. Because I'm short. Well, sort of. (5'5") And the bottom of the porthole is exactly eye-level for me. Meaning that I have to stand on my toes to see the screen from the booth! (Unless I want to glimpse through the same port from which the image is projected, then there is a nasty glare to cope with...)
Oh well, maybe I ought to just get a nice pair of platform soled converse all-stars...

~Gracia *The projectionist with the purple hair* Babbidge

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Jeff Stricker
Master Film Handler

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I've never run anything but changeovers. (Of course, I haven't ran any film for nearly forty years, except my newly acquired -OLD- 35MM home theater stuff) I remember first getting started...talk about a case of nerves, and wondering if there was enuff carbon left to run one more reel . We had these devices (I believe called "carbon savers") that reminded me of cigarette holders that would allow you to burn 'em down to the nubs and get through a short cartoon & coming attractions. Anybody else remember them??

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John Pytlak
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Yeah, I remember (and would prefer to forget) "carbon savers". The owner of one indoor house I worked at demanded that we use all but 1-inch (25 mm) of any carbon in our Peerless Magnarcs. He checked the fireproof carbon cans for any usable discards. Of course, he didn't donate copper drippings to the Will Rogers fund either.

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Dave Bird
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I believe I have a couple home-made "carbon savers" out in my garage. Sadly, I'll probably never burn any carbon, but if I ever do.......

Speaking of obsolete equipment, I'm well on my way to mastering it. Rebuilt my changovers last night, and THEY WORK! Next up, reel-end alarm bells, optical mono sound, AM cable transmitter, carbon lamps...........

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Bruce McGee
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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
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Hey Dave! Speaking of obsolete stuff, My main (for now) Holmes is running on the original amp that I got recently, using a photocell instead of the solar cell. There is no automation of any kind. The changeover shutter? Its manually operated. Since I am the only one watching stuff right now, its no problem having reel changes.

The sound running thru the photocell has more bass than it did before. I was worried about not having enough brightness for the cell, but this seems to not be a problem. Stereo prints sound better, too.

I'm still using the 1156LL 12v lamp for the exciter. And STILL have not had the first one burn out! I'm impressed considering the amount of film that I run here. I am on the 3rd DPW lamp in the lamphouse!

Oops! there's a reelchange! gotta go get a slug...


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Jeff Stricker
Master Film Handler

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Hi Bruce, since you are running on a homebrew shoestring operation like me, find yourself a cheap home Hi-Fi equalizer to follow the preamp from your solar cell. Adjust to your heart's content . That doesn't solve all the Dolby EQ issues, but will go along way to improving what you're hearing.

regards, Jeff

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Bruce McGee
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Howdy from the south, Jeff.

Shoestring doesent begin to describe this set-up. Kite string, or maybe bailing wire more likely.

The solar cell Holmes was run thru an old EQ that helped drastically. The new PE cell system has the original fidelity controls (with new caps in the circuit thanks to the demise of an old stereo amp this weekend,) and they sound great. The reason stereo prints sound better, I think, is because the whole slit beam is being picked up on the face of the PE cell, and not just a portion, which was the case with the solar cell.

I have a Holmes page listed with my e-mail address here on Film-Tech look at the ?-who icon.

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Risto Huovinen
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 - posted 09-25-2000 06:40 AM      Profile for Risto Huovinen   Author's Homepage   Email Risto Huovinen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Greetings from Finland!

Speaking of 1st changeovers...
The last weekend was one of the most exciting weekends for me so far. Me and my friend got our FIRST commercial show last friday and continued at saturday with Mission: Impossible 2. We were a little bit afraid of the changeovers, but we managed them somahow... Not smoothly, but anyway. Practice makes us better.

We had four shows and total 18 patrons. Not bad, because the theatre is in small town and there haven't been films shown regularly for many, many years. I hope it will get better when people get used to go movies again. Because it's a small theatre, I have to take care of any other things in the theatre, not just projection. All the paperwork, ordering the films, etc.

I have to say big thanks to the Film-Tech and especially to Brad, because we have learned a lot of projection technology and practice from Film-Tech. We really appreciate this forum! Hope all forums were as good as this.

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Paul Cunningham
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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 - posted 09-25-2000 08:28 AM      Profile for Paul Cunningham   Email Paul Cunningham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott re: old cinemas and carbons -as far as I know there is only one theatre running carbons in my whole state and they are about 3 hours drive away. I am trying to get there one day.

Stephen - Hi, I'm a few years up on you since my last changeover was about 2 years ago. Monash uni still runs on 2000 or 6000 footers and I know the guy there so will probably do some more soon.

Bruce - talking about manual changeovers, I was once in the bio box of a cinema where a changeover involved two people, one to turn the exciter lamp off in one projector, the other to turn the second one on, the actual changeover mechanism was a piece of curtain rail with two pieces of wood on it which slid from side to side in front of the projectors thus blocking the light from one or other of them.

Dave re: end of reel alarms, I still get films where people have put "clickers/clackers" on which is basically three pieces of tape or small round stickers evenly spaced on the film a short while ahead of the changeover. The projectionist hears a "click click click" as the film travels through the projector and knows to get his butt into gear. Or you can wind a roller bearing into the film near the tail of a reel, when it gets to that spot it falls out and you hear it drop onto the fire trap rollers, you have to make sure that it is big enough so that it doesn't wedge between the film and the trap rollers or else you will damage the film. I'm sure the old timers on the site have many other easy suggestions.

Dave re: picture window. We have a glass door to projection room three where the customers can see our Vic 8's and platter going. It is very popular as many people have no idea what actually happens inside. I overhear many funny comments such as "That is the Dolby Digital system" as they authoritively point to the platter, or as I was talking to a lady the other night she asked if we get the film in big pizza boxes!

Thats enough for now
Paul

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Jeff Stricker
Master Film Handler

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I once saw a "Colombo" TV drama that involved a murder comitted in a screening room. Lt. Colombo (aka Peter Falk) interviewed the projectonist who ran the film while the crime was perpetrated in the auditorium. He used "an old projectionists trick" of sticking a nickel into a reel of film shortly before the change over was to occur. As the film payed out, the nickel fell to the floor alerting the the projectionist that a changeover was near.

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Ari Nordström
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Dave Bird wrote: >>"I'd also like to have a huge picture window in my booth so that everyone can "see the action".<<

I've worked at such a place and I can tell you that it can drive you nuts at times, with people staring at you as you thread a Victoria 5. I wish they would have built a wall there instead.

Besides, I really think that it takes some of the magic away. The mechanics of a booth should be a mystery to the general public, regardless if they think the platter is the Dolby Digital system or whatever.

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Leo Enticknap
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In two of the three auditoria at my cinema, the portholes are only about 3 ft above the back row of seats. This causes two problems - (i) people blocking the projector beam, either accidently or deliberately, and (ii) people deciding that when the film is boring, they'll watch the projectionist instead.

On one occasion some ghastly kid in the back row gazed at me as I laced reels 1 and 2 of 'The Wizard of Oz' into the projectors. 20 mins later I did the first changeover, and the screen went blank. Quick checks. Lamp on? Yes. Douser open? Yes. C/O shutter open? Yes. Beam coming out of lens? Yes, and projecting onto the bag which the little b*****d had placed on the ledge in front of the porthole.

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Ari Nordström
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>>"Bruce - talking about manual changeovers, I was once in the bio box of a cinema where a changeover involved two people, one to turn the exciter lamp off in one projector, the other to turn the second one on, the actual changeover mechanism was a piece of curtain rail with two pieces of wood on it which slid from side to side in front of the projectors thus blocking the light from one or other of them."<<


The first theatre I ever worked at had a somewhat similar c/o system, with spring-loaded hatches in front of both projectors. The hatches were cleverly synchronised with each other using wires and hooked to the exciter lamps through the buttons used to open the hatches.

The glorious mono sound system was an antique by its own right, btw, complete with a Klangfilm tube amplifier and a 100V line to the screen speaker. Marvellous construction, really. They don't make'em like they used to...

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Tim Reed
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quote:
I once saw a "Colombo" TV drama that involved a murder comitted in a screening room.

Jeff, that episode was called "Double Exposure", and starred Chuck McCann as the projectionist (who'd recently starred as the title character in "The Projectionist").
This is one of my favorite Columbo episodes! Norelco AAII's and big, beautiful Ashcraft Super Cinex lamps!

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