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John Eickhof
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Wendell, ID USA
Registered: Jan 2000


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Hi Neil! I have seen quite often vertical lamps with ample cooling run into the 10-11,000 hour range with NO detrimental
effects on picture quality! I have also seen some horizontal units well into the 9,000 hour range! Properly rotating and cooling lamps can result in an extreme number of good lamp hours! In fact, I have never had one of these 9,000 hrs + lamps ever explode! I think if you buy quality equipment & lamps and keep
them maintained, the results will speak for themslves!

KEVIN...I heard the 'turdcage' is going down the end of the month! You better call GUY! I don't think I want any of that stuff!! Even at the cheap price they want for it! Now what are you going to do????? I will be in your area next week, I guess I better get over there and take some pix before it's gone!!!

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David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

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Michael,

We have had 4 "in warranty" failures of xenon lamps in the last 4 months. Two were explosions that took the mirrors with them.

On a circuit of 250 plus screens we have had 5 explosions in 6 years, ALL were under the manufactuers warranty hours which suggests faulty lamps, poor transport or incorrect installation. All rectifiers and air-flows were checked after explosions.

We do not allow lamps to travel past 5000 hours these days although two cinemas close to my office have just hit 5,500 with 18 footlamberts plus on c/s, no flicker or darkening of the quartz envelope evident. They are being removed this week.

When you have heard a 5kw lamp go bang, everything else is an anti-climax! Switch-on, oh, look at the ammeter bounce aroun.......................BANG!

We now run many more big lamps including 4,000, 4,500, 5,000 and at present we are installing more 7,000w lamps, but only in Kinoton projectors with water cooling.

David

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Darryl Spicer
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In sixteen years I have had 4 lamp explosions during opperation. All were Osrams. Two because of excessive hours Over 3000. two within warrenty. The policy with our company is warrenty hours plus 25%. I have had some failures do to loss of xenon gas. But that has not happened in a long while.

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Dustin Mitchell
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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
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In 15 years this location has had one lamp explosion. One. I don't know if it was still in waranty or not.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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There has been an addition to most manufacturers lamps in the last 5 to 7 years that allows them to last longer. This is due to the addition of a getter to collect the vaporized tungsten. Before these getters were built into the lamps the envelope darkened dramatically near and just past a lamps rated life. Since the getter is there to collect the vaporized tungsten,the lamp envelope stays clear and does not darken. Hense pressure and heat are not contained within the lamp like they are in one with a darkened envelope. The result is a longer life lamp that puts out more light and there is less likelyhood of a lamp explosion.

For those that are nervous about changing a high hour lamp all you have to do is to wear the proper protective gear. This includes a full face shield, bullitt proof vest, and gloves as well as heavy clothing. In some states this gear is a normal state requirement when handling ANY xenon lamp. To refuse to change a lamp is ludicrous! I don't know anyone that can afford to turn down a lamp sale or service call!
Mark


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Gordon McLeod
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I have noticed no improvement in darkening in fact I have noticed many lamps are worse than ever at darkening

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Gord, It must be a problem with the hydro up there............
Mark

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John Walsh
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Yes, I agree with Mark; It must be bad electricity!

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Aaron Sisemore
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In my almost 20 years in the business I have had only ONE lamp explosion, a 2000w ORC in a CFS lamphouse.<knocking on wood> I was in another booth at the time so I didn;t get a chance to experience the 'fury' of the explosion, but it was quite a mess with all that quartz all over the place insode. Miraculously, the dish reflector only had a couple minor pits and the diagonal folding mirror was INTACT!

I agree that proper rotatrions and most importantly cooling contribute to longer than normal lamp life...

Aaron

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Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

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John, Where did you hear that I am out of a job at the end of the month? I don't like hearing stuff like that. My resume still sucks.

Then I would have to go to work at the Crest. I think that Andy and I would get along just as well as Phil and Andy got along.

I do know that they are sending Coke out on the 24th to replace all of our Pepsi product, and they got a crap load of Coke product in the store room. Damn shame to send it all back.

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Paul G. Thompson
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In addition to Mark's last paragraph of wearing protective gear, just practice a little common sense and judgement and you'll probably be just fine.

Don't fear the bulb. Just respect it for what it CAN do should it explode. Just like electrical power...don't fear it, but respect it.

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John Eickhof
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Hi Kevin, as a matter of fact, I heard it from Andy!!!!He says the equipment is available for $2000 per screen (everything)
I have put in a call to my GCC connection in LA I will get to the bottom of this soon!!!
Regardless, I am going to try and stop by next week! Email me with your schedule! I don't want to miss you! John

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Aaron Sisemore
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John: You gonna be in the Sebastopol area after your stop in Sac?

-Aaron



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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Paul,
Thats the best addition anyone has made here to this thread! Using common sense is indeed priority number one in the booth. I have yet to have any lamp explosions in my 18 years of doing this stuff. In fact the only explosion I have been witness to was a new lamp on first ignition. I have surely cleaned up my share of explosion remnants from other careless operators though.
Mark @ GTS

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John Eickhof
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Hi Aaron, YES! I will plan on stopping in and adjusting the lamp!! Email me with fone numbers, etc, I am not sure of my exact shedule yet but I will email you or call you after you send me the info! Take care! Tell Dave and the gang HI!

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