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Mike Blakesley
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If you get a film that isn't "on the break," the enclosed trailers are gone.... and TES is too lazy to put something in there to keep the cans from getting mashed.

John: The DTS holders work fine, although they sometimes get broken too, but not as much as the reels do.

I like the idea of using lab cans to hold the enclosed trailers. Then the can could be put back in to ship out, even if the theatre is keeping the trailers.

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Randy Stankey
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I have, on several occasions, made use of Technicolor's "Breakdown Sheets". They have saved my life more than once.

It was Princess Mononoke that I received on the day of the show and only had a (relatively) short time to build, FilmGuard, and screen the print before a crowd of badly dressed college students beat down my door.

They faxed the sheet to me. It is NOT just a description of the changeover frames. It is an actual scan of each frame, marked Reel-1 (head) -- Reel-1 (tail), etc. It was very helpful.

**IF** you call up TES and are nice to them, they will fax the sheet to you in 1/2 hour or less.

TES peeves me off a lot but on THIS issue they have been very helpful.

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Brad Miller
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Well I mine as well go ahead and announce what I have been working on for a couple of months now since it sounds like TES is doing something similar. Ever since the debate here on the forum over whether to cut ID frames or not, I have been trying to get with the studios on photographing the first and last frame of each reel to be able to create an archive right here on Film-Tech. Of course this would not include older films, but would start with whatever films were currently in release. Here is the example page I made back when Gone in 60 Seconds was released the FIRST time. You will note the page was designed with printing in mind. CLICK HERE FOR THE SAMPLE

I chose to shoot the entire film, edges and all for further verification of sound formats as well as picture format. Unfortunately, no studio has responded regardless of which office I direct the plea to.

If anyone knows of a good contact at ANY or all of the studios, please pass the info along. Such an archive would be a great assett to projectionists who receive a used print with or without leaders or ID frames. It would also serve as a nice method for break-down verification in the booth. Since it is layed out in a manner to be easily printed, theaters could keep a printout of this on file or insert it in the film cans for when it comes time to break the print down. Nice projectionists could even leave the printout in the cans for the next guy when they ship the print back.


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John Walsh
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Actually, the only thing I don't like about DTS is the round "disc shipping" holder. The clear rectanglular plastic cover (that holds the two discs) fits too tight, so it is usually broken.

It also looks like people have tried to force that holder into older shipping cans that are not wide enough. So the "round" part of the holder is broken, because it only goes in half-way, then someone stomps on it, forcing and breaking it.

What would I do? Probably use the same kind of plastic (that is used for the individual disc holders) for the round carrier. It's not brittle, and won't crack as easily.

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John Walsh
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That sample that Brad did is really nice... and not just for ID'ing reels.. You can also see that the film is in 'scope; SR-D, DTS, and SDDS (and on Kodak stock!) The distributors have been telling us some films are in scope, when they are really flat, and visa-versa.

A picture like that, either included in the can or avaiable on a web site, would be really useful.

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Dave Cutler
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One good thing I did notice in the guide. It's tips on preparing a print for shipment are good. Maybe some people will actually figure out that using masking tape to reattatch the head and tails is not a good thing. They tell you to splice on the base side which is good, but they don't tell you how to determine which is the base side. Some people might not know.

Maybe Brad can do a little something in the tips section on preparing a print for shipment?

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Brad Miller
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Already working on it Dave.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Prints should be shipped in the cans that accomodate the number of reels that the print is. Period.

The DTS disks can be added to one of the cans, either in a DTS round carrier, or as some ETS prints have done, just in the clear 'Pride' jewel cases (a lot thinner than the round thingy and a bit more rugged than a hard plastic jewel case) with the jewel cases placed on top of or in between the reels and then closing the can. It does fit without damage.

'Enclosed' trailers should be shipped in a plain cardboard box or plastic bag along with the print, just as many studios do now for other treailers that they wish top have played with a certain competitors' prints...

This would eliminate a lot of the bullshit associated with damaged reels, damaged trailers, damaged cans, etc...

Aaron


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Tim Sherman
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Classic technicolor, The binder i recieved was broken!! not too shocking with the way technicolor operates. One of the rivets that holds the metal rail to the hard cover was broken when i got it out of the box. box was in perfect shape so i don't blame airborn (for a change). i just thought that was funny one of the big promotional thing that tes does and it is in the same shape as the reels we get every week. just thought everyone would get a kick out of that.

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Tom Kroening
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Tim! You're not supposed to use the binder to prop up that wobbly makup table!! No wonder it broke : P Although that is a very creative use for it.

Brad, I've usually had the best luck contacting fox. Just call the regular fox number and ask for the corporate office number. Good luck

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John Pytlak
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Brad -- the photos of the frames around the reel changes are a great idea, and perfect for Film-Tech's "Feature Info & Trailer Attachments Section". I will bring this up at the meeting of the Inter-Society Committee for the Enhancement of Theatre Presentation" at ShowEast, to see if there is any objection to posting "copyrighted" feature frames of current films. I think the MPA and NATO will agree it's a good idea, and should be done, but we do need to check. The only caution would be when other countries have a different version, that may not have the same editing or changeover points as the USA.

BTW, you were going to send me an example of the trailer leaders that had the flared white framelines in the black section, that couldn't be cut out because of the 21-frame sound advance. I plan to show the trailer splicing section and the samples at the Inter-Society too.

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Brad Miller
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Oops. I forgot all about that John! My mistake. Let me try and find one and get it out to you a.s.a.p.

Perhaps you could take some printouts of the Gone in 60 Seconds example page with you to show. If you can stir up some interest and help explain how beneficial such an archive would be, I'll bet everyone will be all for it.

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John Walsh
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Another trick I see TES doing is: When they have an extra reel space (like when they only put 3 reels into a 4 reel case) they will bend in the side of the shipping case to keep the reels from moving around.

Of course, the next time that case is used, (with all reels) the last reel fits too tight. The cover sometimes won't close right, either.

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Sean McKinnon
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we got the guide at my theatre and there was nothing in it at all!!! just an empty binder!!!

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