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Author Topic: HELP!! Black and blue bulbs Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-17-2010 07:12 PM                     I've ran Christie CXL-60's at 145amps with no problems - just keep the ends below the maximum temperature and they run fine. YET, had three of them damned Philips/LTI 3k Helios bulb POS's go blue on me in two months way below warranty hours in our digital units....  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-18-2010 01:55 AM                     Christie lamps are completely different than Ushio. I have that very strongly confirmed but I cannot devoulge who did confirm it. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 02-18-2010 11:45 AM                        Same factory, Ushio owns Christie. Louis  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-18-2010 12:06 PM                    I have noticed lately on the Christie Boxes the words "made in the Philippines" on it. Ushio has their own brand and they make the Christie bulbs but I couldn't tell you if the same bulbs come down the same line or if they have dedicated lines for the two products.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-18-2010 12:40 PM                     I just got my order of CXL-20R's and now say "Made in Japan" imprinted on the box and stamped on the collar of the bulb. Bulbs were made in fall of 2009 - dated by the inspector's writing on the card inside the box. Prob those Filipino bulbs were made in 2007 and 2008.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-18-2010 01:12 PM                    I will have to check the cards and see what the dates are on them.  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Althaus Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: Bedford, TX Registered: Dec 2008 posted 02-18-2010 01:25 PM                     Our 07 Christie's and new Ushio's say Japan, but our other Christie's say Phillipines. On a side note, one of our unused brand new Ushio 3k's was found completely shattered, still in its sealed plastic case after being received in good condition.  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 02-20-2010 11:50 AM                     Definately a bad seal. Below is an example that happened to me a couple of years ago. The seals on this 4K hulb leaked after the lamphous blower bit the dust. The bulb acually got hot enough to melt the seal on the anode end causing it to be knocked off-kilter as the pressure escaped, as you can see in the photo. It did turn a really cool azure/cobalt blue though! I used to have a car this color!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-20-2010 12:40 PM                     looks like a classic "ORC/Perkin Elmer" bulb.. those were horrible bulbs...  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 02-20-2010 03:55 PM                     Agree with Monte on this one. Those dang foil seals are a dead giveaway. NEVER had a reasonable run with those lamps with every one barely making guaranteed hours. Ushio never had any problems.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-20-2010 08:32 PM                     ASL is the caretaker of the ORC lamps...they have done really well with them too. They changed most all of them over to graded seals, except the very small lamps (1Ks and I think 1.6Ks) They have also constantly tried to improve them...their lamps don't darken anymore and in some models will go lumen for lumen and hour for hour. Steve  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-21-2010 02:31 AM                     UShio owns christie and they are the same lamp  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-21-2010 12:23 PM                    But can it be proven that they use the same material and process on the Christie Lamp and the Ushio lamp? You can have the same factory make the same bulbs but that does not mean they use the same line or material specs to make the two bulbs. From some of the issues that I have heard about, the problems with bulb failure seem to be occurring more with the Ushio branded bulbs than the Christie branded bulbs. That leads me to think that the materials and specs on the ushio bulbs are different than that of the christies. You have various sizes of bulbs to consider for each brand. The type of lamp houses that they can be used in. (CXL-30R) is the one for Rentec (CFS) the R stands for Rentec. They have different connection types on the positive and negative ends of the bulb. All of these things make me believe that one side of the factory makes Ushio and the other side makes the Christies. Each line having their own materials and specs to follow.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-21-2010 01:01 PM                     I have it on good authority that they are the same  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 02-21-2010 01:45 PM                     quote: Demetris Thoupis Christie lamps are completely different than Ushio. I have that very strongly confirmed but I cannot devoulge who did confirm it. Demetris quote: Gordon McLeod I have it on good authority that they are the same All good research must report sources. The people have a right to know.  |  IP: Logged

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