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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-05-2000 04:14 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It never ends. Apparently the intermittent is in too tight. There isn't any gear lash and you can feel the intermittent movement in the framing knob. As a result the framing is creeping during the film.

I was told to go back in and back off on the tightness of something and get some gear lash? I don't know how I am going to accomplish this task.

So I am waiting for them to hang Bjork so I can rip in to the beast again.


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Ian Price
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From: Denver, CO
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 - posted 11-06-2000 06:08 AM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So I go home last night and my partner calls up and tells me the problem has gotten worse, and he is realy pissed and he wants the problem solved now! Thanks for sharing.

I come in this morning and fire off a letter to my cinema supplier and he tells me that I should adjust the vertical shaft.

I loosen the 5 allen screws that hold the vertical shaft bracket to the projector and the vertical shaft practicaly jumps away from the intermittent. I tighten things up and away we go.

I have a loop in there now. I thought I might leave it running for an hour and see if there is a problem. The projector still runs louder than before, with film in it.


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Ian Price
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 - posted 11-06-2000 09:43 AM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, there is something else wrong.

I have checked many things and my problem isn't the new intermittent. Nor the soundhead gearbox, or the mesh between the gears on the vertical drive shaft. It may be the bottom gear on teh vertical drive shaft. I have to pull the vertical drive shaft in order to find out. That is the subject not covered in the Simplex manual.

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Ian Price
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 - posted 11-06-2000 10:52 AM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So I pulled the vertical drive shaft and had a look. The only think that seems amis is a crack at the bottom where the casting holds the bearing in. There is a little vertical play. Would this cause me problems?


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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 11-06-2000 09:56 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ian, That is a common thing that happens when an X-L is rebuilt or worked on by an inexperienced techie. That allen screw only needs to be slightly tightened and as long as its not super tourqued it should not matter too much. The way it is now it applies uneven pressure to the ball bearing and could distort the race. It would be proper to replace the casting though and it is not too expensive. There should not be any end play in the verticle shaft. It has a preload spring at the top and is set for just a slight preload and then the clamp for the bottom bearing is snuged down only. Not tourqued!! If the shutter gear is not the rubber "anti-shock" type then all should be ok there but replace all the spacers and preload springs and the casting.
Check the oil pump parts for excessive wear and you can replace the impellers and spring for a song and a dance while it is apart. I once took apart an oil pump that had a broken spring in it.............
In the future be sure to check for oil splash on the window every night. Thats the real reson the window was placed there in the first place(according to Howard Straight).
When re-assembling the machine be sure that all gears have proper mesh and use all new gaskets. The old gaskets will not seal correctly if you try to re-use them. Getting proper gear mesh in an X-L takes some patience and care. also careful oil tube and collector alignment is critical so the intermittant gets just the right amount of oil. Not too much and not too little. If you get it all right it will run for another 20 years at least. Good luck!!
Mark


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Rick Fowler
Film Handler

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From: Richmond, VA, USA
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 - posted 11-08-2000 12:58 PM      Profile for Rick Fowler   Email Rick Fowler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
well guess there is a big lesson in this, when you haven't ever replaced a part before call the manufacturer and have one of thier techs talk you through it. It will only cost you the amount of a long distance call and you won't ruin any part by installing something incorrectly. that's my advice call Strong.

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Pat Moore
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 - posted 11-08-2000 01:26 PM      Profile for Pat Moore   Email Pat Moore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ian -- call us in Omaha. Talk with either myself or Dan Twohig, we'll get you through. 800-424-1215.
Sorry I'm late to reply but just got back from a trip overseas...

Pat

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Ian Price
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 - posted 11-09-2000 01:57 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mission accomplished!

The new intermittent #2 works like a charm. It had nothing to do with the vertical drive shaft. New intermittent #1 just didn't like to work under load.

This problem only took a week to solve and has been a royal pain in the butt.

We are back to being a five-plex, which is good because we have 7 prints this weekend including Billy Elliot and a Hitchcock film from 1947 called Shadow of a Doubt which was filmed in Santa Rosa.


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Ian Price
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 - posted 11-15-2000 01:49 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In another post, I posted:

"I think that some of the problems I have been having with my Simplex XL is an unbalanced shutter blade.
The projector has a vibration problem. The vibration is causing the framing to move down. You can see the vibration when you look in the back of the machine because the shutter drive assembly is bouncing on its spring.

When I loosened the shutter to retime the shutter, I turned on the machine and the vibration was gone. When I tightened the shutter the vibration was back.

What do you think?"

I ran all weekend with a C-clamp holding the framing knob still.

My cinema supplier was dead sure that it was my gearbox and I was dead sure it was the shutter blade. He sent me both for Saturday delivery. I didn't have time to install this stuff on Saturday, as we were running an extended schedule and making money hand over fist.

On Monday I replaced the shutter which entails loosening the lamp house and pulling it back six inches, removing the back of the projector and then it's easy. It didn't solve the problem.

So I installed the Gearbox. It isn't hard but I had never done it before. After getting the new one installed, oiled and tight, I ran the motor to see if I got it in line. Then I reassembled everything and the problem was solved.

The projector is running well. It took me a week and a half and three parts but it works now.

I must admit that I have been an emotional wreak this past week. It feels good to have solved the problem.

Besides you guys, I emailed 6 different technicians. My guy is in Hong Kong this week. I received from them 6 different suggestions of things to look at. I am glad that my cinema supplier was correct but I am still mystified by this problem.

His explanation is that the lack of oil caused the intermittent to go out. It there was not enough oil in the projector then it can be argued that there wasn't enough oil in the gearbox. The strain of the intermittent going out also caused the gearbox to have a problem.

Well he gets the $1,000 and the booby prize. Thanks for all of your attention.

The Machine works!



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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 11-15-2000 02:02 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For all of us, it bears repeating what I said early in this thread: "You've relearned an expensive lesson about the importance of checking the oil level on a regular basis, ideally, daily."

That reminds me, it's been almost 4000 miles since I changed the oil in my van, but at least I check the level in it every few weeks. Ah! Procrastination.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


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Ian Price
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 - posted 11-20-2000 02:40 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just moving this up for William Dickson to read.

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