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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 01-07-2001 01:13 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Way to go, Aaron! I'll bet the customers love that, especially if you are using vintage equipment such as a Super Simplex, An E-7, Brenkert or an old Motiograph! The older, the better (as long as it is not a hunk of junk). Put a display poster along side it, too. Made in 1937, etc.


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Brad Miller
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I disagree. So the idea is to show the customers the threading? This should be restricted to a platter and just rethreaded every hour. First off, having to wait for that reel to rewind once an hour while waiting in the lobby will slow the projectionist down. Second, this will help to back up the know-it-all customers who insist that you CAN rewind the film for them because they were late, if they think this is how film is ran in your theater. Third, I find when giving booth tours (young and old) that the one thing of immense interest is the platters. Probably only 1 in 100 actually care to look at the projector with that platter sitting there.

If you want to give the customers something to marvel over while waiting in the lobby, give them a platter.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Brad:

While you may be correct in some people 'assuming' that we can just 'rewind the film' (i get 'rewind the VCR or Laser Disc' question more often, however) I feel that it would be better to use a *VINTAGE* (a word I should have used in the previous post) projector with a converted carbon-arc lamp (like a Strong X-16-no 'modern looking' xenon lamps) with a lobby card or poster nearby explaining that this is how it *used to be done* (this might eliminate *some* of the 'assumptions' that we still use reels and have an option to rewind). As far as the issue of having to rewind and rethread 6000' reels and hampering the operator's efficiency, there's two ways to overcome this: Use two 6000' trailer reels and as one runs out, change it out with the second reel and go upstairs and rewind the first one, etc etc... or train someone on the floor staff (or management-especially if its someone that 'wants to learn' projection but you wouldn't get them within 1000' of the 'real' booth) to thread and clean the vintage machine as part of their duties when they are free to do so, Unless you are running a 30-plex with 5 minute staggered showtimes just about any projectionist should be able to handle running both the multiplex booth and the trailer projector. Anyways, first impression notwithstanding, platters and 'modern'projection equipment look pretty dull, at least the vintage machine does have the 'antique' flair to it. We plan on doing just that once we get a place with enough lobby space to make it possible.

Just a thought...

Aaron


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Brad Miller
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This assumes that the studios are willing to send you 2 hours of extra trailers that would not be programmed on your feature films in order to have two 6000 foot reels of trailers. I don't much see that happening, but if the display is clearly labeled "this is how film used to be projected, etc, etc" then it could be very intriguing indeed...particularly if you had lots of memorabilia of the equipment of that day in the display. Whenever you get it all set up, do make sure to send some pictures over for everyone to see.

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Scott Norwood
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I like the "trailers in the lobby" idea for larger multiplexes with big lobbies. It gives customers something to look at while they're in line to buy tickets or food and encourages them to linger near the smell of fresh popcorn.

Some Regal theatres do this, although it's usually a rear-projection setup, with the actual equipment (usually a Simplex XL or Brenkert, with regular platter and 1kw lamp) in the regular booth.

The idea of having the equipment in the lobby itself is pretty intriguing, actually, if it can be positioned so that curious and annoying customers can't walk right up to it and start playing with it (or so that annoying people like me won't be tempted to fix focus or framing!).

The "vintage" idea is a good one and is probably a great way to re-cycle some older equpiment that wouldn't be appropriate for the "real" booth. There could be several 6000' reels which could be changed as required (and a simple automation system with just and "end of show" cue to cut the sound and close the changeover before the tail runs through. This would take up less space than a platter system and the reels could be rewound in the regular booth to avoid the "why can't you rewind the _regular_ movies?" question.

I've never given a tour in a platter booth...I do know that customers generally like to see older equipment, though, and carbon-arc lamps tend to be a particular favorite since relatively few people have ever seen light produced with two carbon rods. I agree with Brad, though, that platters do look pretty cool. It's the kind of thing that is somewhat counter-intuitive, in that you wouldn't think it would work until you actually see it working. Changing out trailers on a platter in the lobby would be a real pain, though.

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Darryl Spicer
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The old theater I used to work for 8 years ago (it has since been torn down) used to have four of the projectors located in the lobby up on platforms. People would always be watching you work and they would have that impatiant look on there face when you where fixing a problem to. In the eight years that I worked for that theater I only had one incident where someone had thrown a piece of chewing gum and it landed on a take up platter. It just so happend that the reel it landed in had to be replaced anyway do to a defect. What's the odds of that happening. I am just amazed that no one tried to throw a coke up there. Now that would have been a mess that I don't know if film guard could have fixed. I think any projection equipment shoul be confined to a booth not out in the open. Those four projectors where the hardest to keep clean and required the most maintenance do to popcorn oils floating in the air. You had to clean the film on those more often too.

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Steve Guttag
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Brad:

The Kinoton uses delrin skates and pad so the filth associated with conventional gates isn't there...also on reverse the gate pulls back to the tension isn't there. Lastly, Kinoton has a custom bracket for the Kinetronic's film cleaner so the film would be clean twice per showing.

It is the best system out there.

Steve

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Brad Miller
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Steve, you're just hung up on reels. I've used the Kinetronics film cleaner and it does not perform well in a real world booth. Also, you fail to mention the big $$$ again of the double system. Anyone who would actually spend that kind of dollars on such a system certainly would be doing so based upon the fact that as you preach it would require NO projectionists, and the theory behind such a purchase would obviously be biased toward leaving the booth completely unattended. A single quality projector and quality platter coupled with a projectionist is a far better solution.

Platters may be a bit more difficult for people to learn how to operate, but platters do not scratch film, careless or unskilled projectionists do.


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Gordon McLeod
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Well I will agree with steve with tomachines and reels there is never a lost show guarenteed 100% uptime and with proper automation and onboard rewind even less booth work to race around to do. A large plex on reels is much easier to run than the same size with platters. Have been there and done both reels win

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Darryl,

Would that theatre with the projectors on the platform have been an old Mid-States built in the mid 70's? There was one in Columbus, and the prints were always filthy. They had some kind of space-age automation console that never worked attached.

This theatre even ran 70mm in the open. Smoke and popcorn grease were just sucked over to the film.

Mark Lensenmayer
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John Walsh
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Having worked in a theater with two projector - c/o's in several screens, I found it actually kinda nice. The daily workload was a nice, steady pace.

You know how you usually find little problems right while you are threading? With c/o's you have time to stop threading and fix, clean, adjust, or whatever. With platters, often there's little time between shows for maintaince.

The most I ever did was a 4-plex (8 projectors) I don't know how many more I could do. I mean, I wouldn't want to do a 20-plex with c/o. But, for smaller theaters, it might work out OK if they can afford the extra machines, the labor to install them, and a reasonably-qualified operator to run them (all a rarity nowadays.)

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Darryl Spicer
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Yes Mark, it was a Mid-States Theater. It was built in 1976. I worked there in 1982 and came back in 1984 as a projectionist. Loews closed it down in 1996. The theater was originaly a 6 plex then it was turned into a 10 plex. It used to have two reel to reel auditoriums that I realy enjoyed running. If I remember corectly the theater that used to be in columbus was the Continent. All of these type theaters have since had those platforms walled in. It is funny but the spaceage looking automations you are talking about where there for one reason. Something to look at. They actualy didn't do anything. Back to the topic at hand. The continuous loop platter idea is a bad idea for mainstreem theater aplications. Theme park aplications they are more suited for. Things just get overlooked when you dont pay a visit to the projector to thread up shows.

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