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Topic: Motiograph
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Colin Wiseley
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 123
From: Blacksburg, VA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-13-2001 06:46 PM
Colin, the XL you have is the 962nd one made in the year 1953.Thanks a lot John! That cool to know. For some reason I thought it was older than that. Our theater's been around since 1930, now it makes me wonder what they were using before 1953. Possibly a Super-Simplex since that's the type of base it's on. I wonder... ------------------
Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg, VA
www.thelyric.com
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Barry Floyd
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1079
From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 02-13-2001 10:25 PM
OK John, Work your magic with my numbers.
Here goes.... (Brenkert BX-60) S/N 8176 (Brenkert BX-60) S/N 3180 (Brenkert BX-60) S/N 5104 (Brenkert BX-60) S/N 5099 Simplex XL (PR-1014) S/N 11318
Simplex Soundhead Model SH1012, S/N 1245
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Barry Floyd
Floyd Entertainment Group
Nashville, Tennessee
(Drive-In Theatre - Start-Up)
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John Eickhof
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 588
From: Wendell, ID USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-13-2001 11:42 PM
Colin, The XL was introduced in 1950 after prototype tests in 1949 at approx. 6 theatres across the country. Up til then, Simplex was still making E-7s, and Supers. The Standard Simplex was made from 1911-1937. The 'Super Simplex' base (Model LL-1) Was made starting in 1929 so it is possible that you had either Standards or Supers originally.
Barry, Unfortunately, my serial list ends at 1954 with model #PR-1006 (The first XLs were PR-1001 (1949) Under serial #500 then PR-1002
through PR-1004. PR-1006 was for military only with a 'navajo white' interior paint for the RCA-9030 soundhead to match up. The PR-1014 was introduced about 1955 and has been the model type of the XL through many changes of ownership of Simplex, ie: General Precision Labs, (Singer) and NTS right up to
the Ballantyne / Strong purchase of Simplex. Thus, serials are not necessarily in order, but I would guess that your machine is about
1957 vintage as well as the soundhead.
MARK: Do you have an email for Corky? I can't even find his fone number! If I remember right, both Bob McRae and Dick Prather have gone to lengths to figure out the Century serials! I don't recall Corky having anything fresh on it though....Thanks!
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John Eickhof President, Chief Slave
Northwest Theatre Equipment Co., Inc.
P.O.Box 258
Wendell, ID. 83355-0258
208-536-5489
email: jeickhof@nteequip.com
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Roger Frazee
Film Handler
Posts: 16
From: Knoxville, TN, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-14-2001 03:18 PM
John:I am really enjoying this thread and the chance to learn a little cinema history. What would the vintage be of my Super, #40908? Also, do you have a way to tell the age of Powers projectors? Roger
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Jon Miller
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 973
From: San Diego, CA, USA
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 02-14-2001 06:24 PM
John,Your resource is great, but you've created a monster!  How 'bout... -> Super Simplex, s/n 64694, and -> E-7, s/n E390, E531, E3134, and E3297? While you're on the subject of the heavy Simplex pedestal, when did they change the designation from "Super Simplex" to "Simplex Heavy Duty?" The facility I worked for some seven years ago had E-7s on Super pedestals; my home setup is on the same style pedestal, but with the Heavy Duty legend on the door. Also, do you have any production-date information on RCA 1040 soundheads? I've got s/n 1221. Thanks!--Jon
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John Eickhof
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 588
From: Wendell, ID USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-14-2001 11:15 PM
OK.....
Roger...Your Super was made in 1933
(5th year of production, number 180 that year)Jon Miller... Super is 1947 #1864 that year
E-7s:E390 1938 (1st year,Starting serial is 100, it should be nice GLOSS black paint)
E531 1938 also should be gloss black
E-3134 1942 wrinkle black paint
E-3297 1942 wrinkle black paint A note that ALL Supers had EVEN serial numbers! (First Super is #38207 in 1929)
As of 1929, all Standards had ODD serials!
(First of all ODD numbers is 32201 in 1929) Daryl, What kind of info do you need for the ERPI stuff? I have lots of parts etc. for the U Base and the 206, 208, 211 soundheads.....
Email me! ------------------
John Eickhof President, Chief Slave
Northwest Theatre Equipment Co., Inc.
P.O.Box 258
Wendell, ID. 83355-0258
208-536-5489
email: jeickhof@nteequip.com
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Jon Miller
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 973
From: San Diego, CA, USA
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 02-16-2001 06:45 PM
John,Thanks for the information! Yep, the low-serial E-7s are gloss black (with a black, text-only instruction plate inside the door); the later ones are indeed wrinkle-black. Getting back to Motiographs, I have an AAA head whose serial number (A55241010) doesn't completely follow the pattern you outlined earlier in this thread. Did they change the scheme at some point? Also, do you have production information on Motiograph soundheads? TIA--Jon
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