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John Pytlak
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Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 02-22-2001 02:03 PM

Jeff: KODACHROME technology enjoyed many years of use for 16mm and 8mm print applications.

The Chronology of KODAK Motion Picture Films shows that in 1938, Kodak introduced KODACHROME Duplicating film, 5262 (16mm). It was also used as a camera film.

In 1940, Kodak introduced KODACHROME Duplicating film, 5265 (16mm).

In 1950, Kodak introduced EASTMAN Reversal Color Print film, 5269 16mm.

In 1966, Kodak introduced EASTMAN Reversal Print film, 7387. Improved. Non-incorporated couplers.

All these reversal print films used the KODACHROME technology, with the dye-forming couplers contained in the three color developer solutions, rather than the film.

You are correct that it was difficult for labs to produce a good 16mm silver soundtrack on these reversal films, so after the early 1950's, larger print orders were usually printed on ECP from an internegative.
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Sean Weitzel
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 619
From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall)
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 02-22-2001 04:17 PM

Kodachrome is simply..the best. you cannot beat it. Kodachrome in 16mm motion photography will take your breath away. I highly recommend everyone out there go get a 16mm camera and buy a fresh 100' roll of Kodachrome 25 and shoot it.. take pictures of the sky or water or trees or plant leaves.. it will blow your mind. i love Kodachrome. My true love of Kodachrome lies in the regular (double-8) medium. Yes, fresh Kodachrome is availabe in regular 8 (though not supplied by Kodak) EVERYONE needs to shoot KODACHROME, so kodak will keep manufacturing it!!! (sorry for the plug in a public forum. but it is necessary!)

-sean

Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-22-2001 04:52 PM

Is there any lab that can make decent optical track prints from Kodachrome originals without charging $1/foot or more to make an internegative? The problem with printing Kodachrome (particularly with a track) and the expense of reversal workprinting is the primary reason why I've stuck with the current Eastman color negative stocks (and some Tri-X reversal) for my "home movies." Not to mention the fact that color neg can be processed and workprinted in a a couple of days, while Kodachrome apparently has to go to Switzerland...

David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

Posts: 355
From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 02-23-2001 05:27 PM

What's in my refrigerator right now?

Kodachrome 25 16mm

Eastman 7240 16mm

7240 Super 8

Kodachrome 40 Super 8

Kodachrome 40 Super 8 Sound!

I shoot all of these products regularly and literally have my life on film from 18 months of age. The colours are vibrant, rich and saturated. My son is one of the few of the next generation that will have his life and times documented using all the products listed above.

I want a forward and backward compatible, stable recording technology that will last lifetimes.

(How can I tell a story in 6 mins on film that takes people with a handycam 56 mins?)

I guess I changed this topic from 70mm to 8mm.

David

Sean Weitzel
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 619
From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall)
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 02-23-2001 11:48 PM

Scott, the only lab that I knew of that could print tracks directly without an interneg was W.A. Palmer films of Belmont which sadly does not exist anymore. You might want to call DeWayne's and see what they can do for you. www.k14movies.com

-sean

Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 02-24-2001 09:00 AM

Our family was big into home movies...we went through both Regular-8 and Super-8 (with and without sound).

I beg to differ with Mr. Norwood on the longevity of Ektichrome (or however it is spelled...the "blue label" film)....it has held up VERY poorly with respect to color. Most of our home movies have turned progressively blue (like shooting tungstun film outdoors).

As others have noted, Kodachrome looks as good today as it did in the '50s. Kodachrome is truely a wonderful film and process!

Steve

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-24-2001 12:05 PM

I too grew up with a family of 8 super 8 and 16mm home movies
I found both the kodachrome and the anscochrome sood up very well but the worst was ferraniachrome from 3m

Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-24-2001 12:55 PM

Steve -- all I can say is that I've seen (and own) a reasonable quantity of VNF Ektachrome reversal film from the late '60s/early '70s that looks pretty good. It's not Kodachrome and it is turning blue slightly, but it still looks way better than any of the pre-LPP Eastman stocks. Most of the SP stock that I've seen from the late '70s has gone totally brown, unfortunately.

Jeff Stricker
Master Film Handler

Posts: 481
From: Calumet, Mi USA
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 02-24-2001 02:51 PM

Can't say enough about the stability of Kodachrome. I've shot slides with it for 40 years. Our family has 8mm Kodachrome home movies dating to the mid - 40's and still look good. I recently saw some Kodachrome slides taken in the late 30's - no special storage - still brilliant colors.

Like Paul Simon says in his song, "mama don't take my Kodachrome away..."

Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

Posts: 283
From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 02-25-2001 01:26 PM

Yeah, I agree with you all. Kodachrome is wonderful. My old Super 8 films are still perfect (in colour if not in content...)

I shot some of my films on Agfa stock, though. It was cheaper and sometimes I had to buy it instead or forget about the film I wanted to make. Too bad, really. Some of my remaining Agfa films have faded noticeably.

Jeff Taylor
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 601
From: Chatham, NJ/East Hampton, NY
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 02-26-2001 07:54 AM

One more testimonial for good old Kodachrome...I've got 16mm Kodachrome dating back to the 1938 NY World's Fair which my father shot, along with thousands of feet of others up to the early 1970's. With the exception of being a little brittle, the color on the oldest footage is still spectacular.

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 02-26-2001 09:54 AM

I was married in 1972, and high speed EKTACHROME Super-8 film was used to capture the moment "available light". We projected the film again last Christmas, and the colors are still very good. Storage has been in our home, at about 70F and 50% RH. We project the film once or twice a year, so that lets it "breath", preventing vinegar syndrome.

I have several VHS tapes I made of the "Royal Wedding" of Princess Diana and Prince Charles. Like the marriage, the tape gradually deteriorated, and has quite a few dropouts. Somehow, old VHS tapes also seem to loose sharpness and pick up noise with age --- is this due to loss of signal and spread of the high frequency information?

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