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Scott D. Neff
Theatre Dork

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You can count Aaron Sisemore and myself as two techers who have NO ACCESS to cotton gloves. I think the only time I've ever used a pair was when THX/TAP sent a pair to be good samaritans.

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Leo Enticknap
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Jeffrey - many thanks for the tip on cutting a hole in the end of a glove finger to peel off joining tape - I never thought of that. It might even stop the latex gloves getting so sweaty.

As for finger-ripping, I've only ever once received a cut from an edge examination. That was finding out the hard way (i.e. whilst winding at about 1,000ft per minute) that some moron had joined two sections of film in the middle of a reel by stapling them. The staple parted company with the film and gouged quite an impressive cut in my index finger. Incidentally, if any British reader has recently received a print of 'L'Ennui' and wondered why one of the reels was covered in blood, well, that's why.

But I think you'd have to be clutching the edge of the film a lot harder than is necessary to check for edge and perf damage for, say, a split perforation in brittle acetate stock to actually inflict a cut.

Randy Stankey
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When I'm inspecting film or building up at the bench I usually wear a glove on my left hand only. That's the hand that I pull the film off the reel with. I use my right hand for working the controls and such. The glove on my right hand would only get dirty faster if I did wear one. This way I can still use my fingers to peel tape or cut and splice film, etc but have enough protection that I don't get fingerprints on the film.

Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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I have used the cotton gloves ONCE... all it took was for my hair to begin standing on end and the loud CRACK! of the big painful static electricity spark against the make up table to convince me to leave the gloves for the editors. I do excercise resonable care handling film anyways, unlike many others in the industry.

Aaron

John Pytlak
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Aaron:

Shocks from buildup of static charge should be much less since the introduction of Kodak VISION Print Film, since it has a conductive antistatic layer on the backside to help dissipate the charge. You can easily see the difference by rubbing a piece of older film to generate static --- it will pick up dust and dirt, and stick to the side of a metal cabinet because of the static charge. The new Kodak VISION Print Film will not hold a static charge, so it stays much cleaner and "shock free".

If you handle older prints or prints on other stocks, you might try wearing conductive shoes on a conductive antistatic mat, or use a conductive grounded antistatic wrist band to bleed off any static buildup:
Example of Anti-Static Wrist Strap


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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
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Randy Stankey
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I always keep one leg up against the metal table leg or the control box when I don't want to get shocked.

The new film is much better about static but I still have been shocked, although nowhere nearly as bad.

On time, before the new film came out, I got myself "charged up" really good and then touched the metal end of a xenon lamp. It actually lit up for a split second! It was only a quick "blip" but it was noticible even in room light.

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John Pytlak
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BTW, you should also wear an anti-static wrist strap or take other body-grounding procedures to avoid "zapping" sensitive electronic components when handling circuit boards.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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Robert Golding
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You mean I've been doing it wrong for 30 yrs. Personally I've never used gloves and have never damaged a print. You should only handle the film by the edges anyway.

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John Pytlak
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As I said, IF you can handle the print by the edges only, you don't need to wear film handler's gloves. But gloves are a good idea if you tend to get fingerprints on the film. Regardless, please wash and dry your hands to reduce the risk of getting sweat or oil on the print.

It's also very important to keep the film or leader from contacting a dirty surface like the floor or a dirty work surface. Keep your rewind bench or makeup table free of clutter, and damp wipe any dust or debris that may accumulate during the workday.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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