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James R. Hammonds, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 931
From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-06-2001 01:21 PM
I once spent 2 hours biulding up a print with the trailers already made.The print in question was our third print of END OF DAYS (why 3 prints i will never understand). This print came in at 1 AM from another theatre in town (i dont know why technicolor wouldnt just let them keep it since they were going to run it anyway) that used it for a screening. These guys tore the film down NOT by separating the reels but by filling one reel up completely and cutting it NOT EVEN ON THE FRAME LINE. Although this should NEVER happen, it would not have been so bad if they had left the trailers off. That way, I could have just found the Universal logo and matched the frame at the end of this the first reel an a half to the next reel and 3/4 and so on. But they did leave three trailers attached, the first one being PITCH BLACK. This trailer started off with some frames that looked like it could have been part of the END OF DAYS feature. So my manager and I spent two hours winding and rewinding each reel so we could either find the beginning or end and start from there. So we had the print biult up by 3 AM AND THEN WE HAD TO SCREEN IT!!! If this print had been torn down properly, we probably would have said "screw it, lets get out of here" but given the condition of the print, we felt some strange moral obligation to run it anyway. Only one bad splice in the whole feature. If this would have happened today, I would have called technicolor to report this (which I should have done then) and probably called this particular theatre's manager to let him/her know what happened. Speaking of tearing down prints, I know a guy who could have a print torn down 5 minutes after it was over using platters. What I am about to tell you should NEVER be done as most of you already know. What he would do is: 1. Trun off the failsafe. 2. Wait until the reel change and rip the splice, letting the beginning or reel 2 feed to the floor. 3. Quickly wind reel 2 onto a new center ring and let the print play as usual. 4. While reel 2 is taking up, wind reel 1 onto a shipping reel. 5. Repeat as neccessary. Now there are A LOT of things I've been willing to try in the past (some of them not very good), but for some reason, I was always afraid to try this one. I think I'd rather stay an extra half hour that to deal with god knows what would happen.
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-06-2001 01:35 PM
James R. Hammonds Jr. said: "What I am about to tell you should NEVER be done as most of you already know. I know a guy who could have a print torn down 5 minutes after it was over using platters. What he would do is: 1. Turn off the failsafe. 2. Wait until the reel change and rip the splice, letting the beginning or reel 2 feed to the floor. 3. Quickly wind reel 2 onto a new center ring and let the print play as usual. 4. While reel 2 is taking up, wind reel 1 onto a shipping reel. 5. Repeat as neccessary. Now there are A LOT of things I've been willing to try in the past (some of them not very good), but for some reason, I was always afraid to try this one. I think I'd rather stay an extra half hour that to deal with god knows what would happen." ____________________________________________  That kind of uncaring and selfish incompetence makes me sad, and MAD! I can just image how filthy and scratched that print looked at the next theatre that was unfortunate enough to get it. As the cartoon character Pogo said, "We have met the enemy, and he is US!" Please tell that guy to "Do Film Right", or he should find another job. http://www.igopogo.com/Wehavemet01.jpg ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Rachel Carter
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 248
From: Gloucester, Massachusetts, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-08-2001 03:52 AM
I work at a "dollar" theater so I get the old, used, and disgusting films....some of the films we get I just feel like throwing on the floor, HEY they're scratched, dirty, and ruined anyway!!! NO, no, no, just kidding!!! Really, some of the prints we get are horrible considering most have usually been thru at LEAST 2 theaters if not more!!! There is no reason for a print to be cut half way thru a reel just because the “so called” projectionist went by the splice and didn’t want to back it up! This has happened many many MANY times! What about the, hey lets screw with the projectionist at the next theater and splice the movie half way thru the reel and turn the print over so the sound track is on the opposite side….THAT SOUNDS FUN! GRRRR… That has also happened numerous times. Some of the prints we get are horrible and every pre-run print needs to be inspected closely. It usually takes me about 2 hours to build a complete print (depending on the length of the film) and 30-45 minutes to break down a print.
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Joe Schmidt
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 172
From: Billings, Montana, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-09-2001 02:27 AM
Well, I sure am enjoying reading all the posts on this forum to get a feel for things.Platter systems have always made me somewhat nervous under the best of circumstances, particularly the practice of having only a single projector with no backup associated with the platter. At least a 4 or 5-platter stack has some redundancy as you could rob parts from one to fix another. Knowing the way things were going made me happy to retire from the business when I did and go on to other interests that weren't, as I saw it, deteriorating. Guess this makes me a bit of an old fogey. I'm fully familiar with how platter systems function and I've worked booths that had them, but platters are best described this way: "When they're good, they're very, very good, and when they're bad, they're horrible! I used to know a guy who routinely did exactly what everyone is complaining of in the previous posts -- bypassing the fail-safes, ripping the splice, etc. and on his way home 5 min. after the last show. There were never any horrible consequences, but... a) This was an immaculate, carpeted booth and the floor was very clean and vacuumed often, thus the film was not harmed by a little bit going on the carpet briefly for the switch-over. b) He was a real solid, focused and well-coordinated guy. c) He didn't have to do the "magic act" too many times as he for the last show he'd take up the film onto a 6000' reel, rip the splice, pull the reel off, put another on, get it started taking up and finally put the failsafe back on. The last reel of the feature wound direct to its shipping reel; into the can, out the door and on the way home! d) This was really something to watch, and he never messed up. True, it is not for everyone and I doubt I'd have the courage, or the sharp coordination, to try it. Still, I think it is an acquired skill that could be learned by practicing the routine with some scrap film until you got it right. That's what I would need to do. Really, what it all came down to was, as he said, "I have a life" and "I don't want to stay here half the nite tearing down film when there's a faster way!"
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-09-2001 08:43 AM
Joe Schmidt:Even if the floor were spotless, just cutting the print "on the fly" and starting the next reel onto a takeup hub will put lots of cinch marks onto the film. Not to mention the fingerprints from the rushed handling involved. It is NOT "Film Done Right". I'm sorry, but " "I have a life" and "I don't want to stay here half the nite tearing down film when there's a faster way!" strikes me as having a selfish attitude when it comes to presentation quality. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 04-09-2001 09:21 AM
I once knew a girl who managed a theater, and did a great job. She was telling me how great her staff was, and gave this example: Once, they were shipped a bad last reel of a feature, and could not get a replacement in time for the show. So, they started the feature anyway and let it run. The replacement reel arrived about 40 minutes before the end would run out. Apparently, the operator spliced the tail on to the head of the last reel while the show was running, and let the last reel pay out while on the makeup table.Now, I had visions of some guy pulling off about 50 feet of film, it sliding across the floor while he frantically chopped and spliced it. I mentioned this to her (suggesting it would be better to at least stop while splicing) and she was surprised I would think that. She really thought I had the _entire_ concept totally wrong; that the show must go on, customers should never sit in a dark theater, they pay good money and deserve this kind of service. So my point is, you never know how even a well-meaning person will interpret “doing it right.” She was a good manager, ran the theater well, kept the booth clean, etc. What could I say? I ended up just not saying anything further.
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