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Author Topic: Eastman Stock Question about fading Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-23-2001 11:32 PM                     I had a question about AGFA color. I have a trailer for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland from 71 or 72, stars Peter Sellers. Theres absolutely no fading whatsoever, and it came with a collection from 60s and 70s stuff, so its likely not a rerelease. How is it that AGFA color has held up this well? Some other trailers from the late 60s (indie stuff like Something Weird, Psych-out) are on AGFA stock, and are a tad faded, but look fine.  |  IP: Logged Jeff Taylor Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 601 From: Chatham, NJ/East Hampton, NY Registered: Apr 2000 posted 04-24-2001 09:20 AM                     I readily admit that I don't understand enough about film chemistry to explain why the Germans and Japanese were able to produce competitively priced print (and presumably negative) stock before we were, but I can't say that I have ever seen a significantly faded Agfa or Fuji print. Having said that, I also haven't seen many of either prior to mid-'70's strike dates, so apparently there wasn't a lot of it used earlier. John references the 1979 LF Kodak stock which carried a higher price tag, and I was under the impression that higher priced EK alternatives were available prior to then, but largely ignored by studios who saw no need to pay extra for longer print life. Still, there's no totally free lunch, as Agfa stock seems to be thinner gauge and more prone to breakage, and then there's the fabled "Fuji Rot", although that seems to have been eliminated in 1979-1980 and newer Fuji prints.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-24-2001 10:49 AM                        I've seen faded Fuji stock from the '70s. It fades slower than Eastmancolor and turns a weird bluish/purpleish color rather than red like Eastman. I haven't seen much Agfa, and I don't think that I have seen any that was produced before the mid-80s.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 04-24-2001 12:28 PM                        Over the years, all manufacturers' color print products have evolved through multiple generations, with changes in the dye-forming couplers and other emulsion technology. One also has to factor in the effect of processing conditions and the tremendous variability in release print storage conditions. Without knowing the specific product types, and how they were processed and stored, it is misleading to generalize based on a few examples of faded or unfaded prints. I suspect that some of the examples cited may have been films that used older coupler technology that may have had good dye stability, but many other poor characteristics at the time. Or they may just have been processed perfectly, and kept under ideal (cool, dry, vented) conditions. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion  |  IP: Logged

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