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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 05-15-2001 03:37 PM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The lamp failed because (thanks to an incorrectly rated ammeter shunt fitted in the lamphouse as originally installed) it had been run at more than the recommended current. It failed during a show and the remainder of that day's shows were run on the other projector. It was not beyond its recommended useful life: I forget the exact hours at the point of failure but it was well under 1,000.

The explosion happened as I was inserting the anode end into the plastic sleeve. It (and the flylead) was seriously blackened and so could well have been abnormally weak. As you point out, the explosion did not carry as much force as would a hot lamp blowing up, but the quartz fragments left afterwards looked extremely sharp. Judging from the indentations on the visor and jacket I would have regretted it if I had not been wearing them.

I may not have been handling lamps since 1978 (1991 in my case) but none have been lost after my handling of them before or since this incident.

If anyone wants to handle xenon lamps unprotected that is their choice. Just as long as no-one else is in the room with them, they are not risking anyone else's safety by doing so. But I do have a problem with advertising material being sent to cinemas which could, however unintentionally, give people the impression that this is safe.

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Jerry Chase
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Xenon handling at NASA- http://osat.lerc.nasa.gov/GSM/GSM-26.htm

This thread has me curious. What are the actual design pressures in a cold short arc 2000 watt XBO at 70 degrees, and a bulb at operatng temp? (Measured in PSI and/or atmospheres)

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Leo Enticknap
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The Osram guidebook I have ('Lighting Program 97-98, Photo Optics') doesn't say. The info it gives (on p. 31) is as follows:

Type of current = DC
Wattage = 2,000
Lamp voltage = 27
Current = 70 amps
[luminance data skipped]
Current control range = 50-85 amps
Average life = 1,500 hours

and then its dimensions. No mention of gas pressure.

BTW, how did you know that the lamp which blew up on me was a short arc 2,000 watt XBO?

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Jerry Chase
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LOL
I'm psychic.

I'd guess, based on how they sound exploding in a dumpster, that the pressure is normally about 2 and some fraction atmospheres (35PSI). The 2 lbs of pressure statement doesn't sound right, as it would mean an implosion would occur.

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Randy Stankey
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How much pressure is in a xenon lamp?!

According to Osram's literature, there is 8 to 10 Bar. That means there can be as much as 147PSI, right?

Have you ever SEEN a lamp explode? It's impressive!

Let's just say, for discussion's sake , that somebody took a xenon lamp way out into the woods, set it up on a old tree stump then shot it with a .22 cal. rifle...

Pieces of glass ranging from the size of grains of sand to as large as 3 or 4 inches (10 cm.) would fly over distances of several metres! The metal ends would fly a couple of feet as well.

This hypothetical experiment would be done from a good distance away. (Say, 50 yards or so.) One reason for this would be that this is a more "manly" distance to shoot from. However, if you saw this in person you would be GLAD that you were that far away.

I'm not recommending that anybody ACTUALLY do this experiment but IF they did, this is what would happen.

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Joe Redifer
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Usually I just place the bulb into its little plastic case, put it into the box it came in and tape it shut as well as I can. Then I toss the box about 10 feet across the booth and let it land on the floor. Boom. Usually not deafening but still it is loud. I always check the box for glass poking out before I pick it up to toss it into the trash. The box usually has dents in it where the glass tried to escape. These are usually 4000 watt Christie bulbs. It is very rare when I need to change a 2k bulb since they last so long. The 2k bulbs' explosion is so pathetic it is almost embarrassing.


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Leo Enticknap
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Oh bugger! Firearms are illegal in England. Pity - that experiment sounds kinda fun...

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Brad Miller
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Someone send me a used 15,000 watt bulb from an IMAX projector and I'll shoot some high speed (slow motion) video of it exploding from a gun shot and have Joe make a Quicktime download.

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John Pytlak
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I recall seeing a NASA safety film that did show large xenon lamps exploding in slow motion. They put a metal weight on a pendulum, and let it swing down to hit the lamp. Even with a cold lamp, I would not want to be anywhere near the shards of quartz blown violently around. I've looked for another copy of the film, and have not been able to find it.

AFAIK, NASA uses these large lamps in searchlights and in solar energy simulators.

I agree with Leo --- ALWAYS wear protective gear even with "stone cold" lamps.

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Steffan Laugharne
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I remember when I was running my University Film Society, our Chief Projectionist would enlist us in the sport of Xenon smashing. All 4 projectionists would make our way up to the stage fly gallery, and with the screen out, each drop a 2kW Xenon over the edge. Whoever managed to get the anode embedded deepest in the theatre's rear wall was the winner.

Needless to say, this was done with the theatre empty, and all doors locked. You'd be very surprised how many people in the West End were involved in this scheme!!!! No names, no pack drill!

Cheers

Steff

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