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Topic: Covering films overnight?
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 05-21-2001 09:04 PM
Again, it's always a good idea to let the projectors run a few minutes without film (without load) to "loosen up" and get the oil flowing and overnight kinks out of any belts. I was taught this was especially important in a drive-in, where the booth could get quite cold during the non-summer nights.IMHO, compressed air should NOT be used. Indeed, you are just stirring up the dirt. High pressure air jets can be especially bad around lenses, where dirt, moisture and oil can be forced into the optics. Use a vacuum and brush to pick up any loose debris inside the mechanism (make a fitting so you can have a tiny vacuum hose for tight spots). Wipe up any oil with an absorbent cloth. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Jerry Chase
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posted 05-21-2001 09:15 PM
John, I wondered if you would react in horror. I have to say that I came into the industry from a different part of film, specifically photography for television. I had ample opportunity to watch film dry, and learn the characteristics of wet, dry, and damp emulsion, even watching wet 16mm get slapped on a film chain. Wet film is a bitch, no two ways around it. From personal experience, I still have nightmares of a brain wrap I once had around the drive shaft of an Eprad platter, caused by a drip through a vent onto a film on the top platter. There is no way to recover gracefully from one of those.Damp film is funky, sticky, and requires a lot of TLC to baby until it is dry. By a damp rag, I mean a lint-free rag spritzed once with a spray bottle of (ditilled) water and massaged, just to give the rag some "tack." This will not wet or even dampen the edge of the film as you brush up the dust. It also will not redistribute or remove the edge wax, which could happen when using some solvents. Using Film-guard could be an option, though. I leave that one to Brad's expertise. I suppose one could vacuum a film on a platter, though I've never seen it done as far as I can recall. Could that cause static problems? Air moving at velocity can be a way of moving electical charges. I'd be curious to learn the results of tests of the various methods. I suspect the _lightly_ dampened rag might win out in removing dust. Re: starting cars and gunning them. I can think of many many shade tree mechanics that do this. When I lived in apartments, I used to take perverse delight in walking up to these fellows intent on tuning engines and waking me up at 9AM on Sunday morning after I'd just arrived home from the midnight shows, and casually saying "Ya know... you could throw a rod doing that." It usually wasn't appreciated, but it was fun anyway. One area where the wet film and pre-threading could have a serious effect is if a damp film were to stick in the gate from being left overnight. In a contest between stuck polyester and an older fiber gear, my money would be on the polyester being stronger.
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Randy Stankey
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posted 05-21-2001 11:02 PM
If using a compressor to clean a projector was used as an adjunct to cleaning with a cloth & brush I would have no problem with it. Problem is that people seem to think that a compressor actually cleans a projector.1) Any dust in the projector is instantly accelerated to the speed of sound. No matter how inoccuous dust may seem when it's standing still, it would be like a sandblaster when it's moving at that speed. Continued use of a comressor without removing the bulk of the dust, IMHO is just asking for trouble. 2) I have seen projectors that have been cleaned exclusively with compressors. The visible areas like the trap look squeaky clean. But when you remove the trap you'll find all kinds of dust bunnies caked around the inner workings. Same goes for the sprocket bearings. I have taken sprockets off and found a ring of icky-goo caked around the shaft. This is rarely the case with projectors that are cleaned exclusively by hand. 3) When you compress air you are also compressing the water vapor in the air. Take the nozzle and put it up against a smooth surface or a piece of glass or something. You'll see little droplets of water forming as it is blown out at high speed. You might as well clean the projector with a garden hose!  4) If you use a compressor that has oil in it and don't use a oil/vapor trap you'll get water vapor AND oil vapor. That's even worse. 5) How many people do you think would really be careful and not knock the nozzle around inside the projector? 6) Why the heck do you want to lug the compressor around with you? You can do a good job of cleaning the thing with a shop rag AND it'll take you a fraction of the time. As an occasional thing (as part of your take-apart cleaning, for instance) the compressor is OK if you use it carefully.
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John Pytlak
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posted 05-23-2001 01:09 PM
With 27 projectors, a little extra time to let each of them "loosen up" before the show would probably pay dividends in reduced repair costs. The temptation in this kind of situation is to thread up the night before as each final show drops, to save time in the morning. For the reasons cited in this thread, avoid the temptation.  ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Tom Evans
Film Handler
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From: UK, Birmingham.
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-23-2001 08:36 PM
A few ideas:-You know how powerful the air compressor can be, well imagine if the air compressor sucked air into the nozzle instead of out. Imagine all the loose film debris and gunk you could clear up - but be careful you don't suck the oil straight out of the machine  Has anyone thought about a platter cover that can cover the film when it is playing? Also, I was trying to explain to a fellow workmate that running PTR rollers on the first show of a brand new print was pointless as this must compress the dirt and particles collected from the adverts and trailers into the virginal film emulsion, is this true?
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John Pytlak
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posted 05-30-2001 02:02 PM
Jeffry L. Johnson said: "If you use PTR's on a new print you'll be amazed at all the orange paint flecks and fibers from the shipping can liner that will be removed from the print."One of the things about PTR film cleaning is that it is very easy to analyze the dirt that is being removed from the film. Under a microscope, it is easy to tell whether the debris is film-related like base or emulsion, or from other sources like construction debris, bearing wear, packing materials, carpeting, linty clothing, or even dandruff. The most "unusual" debris captured on a PTR that Kodak analyzed was identified as "hemp". Wonder where THAT came from???  ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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