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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Margate, FL, USA
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 - posted 05-30-2001 11:40 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Comments from another forum on why they don't go to movies anymore:


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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 05-30-2001 12:40 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sad. But true.

I recall saying that the real threat to movie theatres is NOT Digital Cinema. It is Digital Cinema technology applied to the home theatre environment. We're already seeing DLP technology being used in some high end home theatre systems, and TIVO is a home version of a movie server. High Definition DVDs are on the way, and satellite HDTV is a reality.

IMHO, the "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow" for many "Digital Cinema" (electronics and communications) companies does not lie in a few thousand theatres, but in millions of homes.

If theatres treat Digital Cinema as a panacea for their current woes and don't improve the basics of presentation and showmanship NOW, the parade will pass them by, and home theatre "couch potatoes" will rule. Whether it's "Film Done Right" or "Digital Done Right", theatres MUST provide something much better than people can get in their homes.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Evans A Criswell
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From: Huntsville, AL, USA
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 - posted 05-30-2001 01:41 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree, John. A main reason that Cinemascope and Cinerama came about was because of competition from televisions in homes. Now that digital surround sound systems and larger screens are becoming more commonplace every month, it makes me wonder what the "next step" needs to be. Theatres are not going toward larger screens or higher-resolution film such as 70mm. They're going toward smaller screens and more problematic presentations. Digital cinema is not the answer, at least not in its current form. I look at a computer monitor with a 1280x1024 resolution most of the day every day. How about 4096x3072 resolution with the appropriate anamorphic unsqueeze for eadch aspect ratio? If properly setup and calibrated, that resolution in a digital projection system with enough light might work!

While home theatre can currently give me only 720x480 resolution, it looks better than a lot of the dim or out-of-focus or misframed or cropped presentations I frequently see here locally.

Professional quality must come back to theatres or their days will be numbered.

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Evans A Criswell
Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Info Site

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Evans A Criswell
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 - posted 05-30-2001 02:05 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Cell phones have the technology to be unobtrusive so people can be available to help with emergencies 24/7 without annoying others. Don't blame the phones, blame the inconsiderate users.

I'll bet that many users of cell phones dont' even bother to read their manuals to learn about their politeness features. Most people seem content with the default annoying loud primitive tone-based tune rings. Most people probably want everyone around them to know they have a cell phone (the coolness or importance factor that went out two or three years ago), and they're perfectly content to ruin movie experiences, or have their phones ring in church. Manners and politeness are becoming a things of the past, and it hurts movie theatres and similar gatherings of people.

If jammers are illegal in theatres, what about detectors at the doors that go off if a cell phone is detected? That would avoid the legal problem of restricting cell phone signals in the building, but would simply solve the problems by not allowing the things in the building to start with. If the detectors gave off a loud beep that got the attention of everyone else in the lobby so that all other people would look at them when it happened, I'll bet people would stop bringing them in. (embarrassment factor)


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John Pytlak
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Evans said: "...what about detectors at the doors that go off if a cell phone is detected? That would avoid the legal problem of restricting cell phone signals in the building, but would simply solve the problems by not allowing the things in the building to start with. If the detectors gave off a loud beep that got the attention of everyone else in the lobby so that all other people would look at them when it happened, I'll bet people would stop bringing them in. (embarrassment factor)"

Question: How often do cell phones send a signal to "handshake" with the closest cell array to keep track of location? If the signal is frequent enough, designing a local "cell phone emission" detector should be practical, and probably very marketable to theatres, churches and hospitals (where cell phones can interfer with medical equipment).

A simple metal detector would yield too many "hits" to be used in a theatre (although some of the other threads on theatre violence show finding guns and knives is a priority for some theatres too).

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Mike Blakesley
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The biggest problem with cell phones (around here at least) is that everyone gets a phone "free" with their contract. The "free" phones are the cheapest crap available, so they don't have the vibrate feature. The customer could buy a vibrating battery, but they cost twice as much as a regular battery so the cheapness factor comes in again.

I have a sign in the theatre, "Please turn off cell phones and beepers." Can't count the number of people who have said, "well, how is the babysitter supposed to call me," etc. I can't believe these people can't trust their little nippers in the care of a trusted person for two frickin' hours.

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Mike Blakesley
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Funny thing about all these people who complain about the prices. They never suggest what it SHOULD cost to see a movie. They are just like the people who complain nonstop about their taxes going up, and then also complain when gov't services get cut.

You get what you pay for, folks!

Maybe this would be a good discussion topic: What IS a good adult ticket price for a movie in a theatre? Here in Montana, the larger towns tend to charge around $6.50 to $6.75 (most of the bigger towns have Carmike screens). The cheapest one I know of is $4.75, but they are in a very small town playing several months after the break.

(Of course I'm not including dollar/discount houses in this.)

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John Schulien
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 - posted 05-30-2001 03:56 PM      Profile for John Schulien   Email John Schulien   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's why I probably WON'T be seeing Pearl Harbor:

Jeff Joseph writes on 35mmfilms.com:
"Technicolor will only confirm 6 [dye transfer] prints at this point ... 3 are in New York ... 3 are in Los Angeles"

Christopher Seo writes:
"The regular run print I made up was on 2383. The stunning EKs were on 2393, but the regular prints don't seem too shabby either."

My, my. It must be nice to be able to see a top quality print. Sure wish I could.

If the studio/distributor can't be bothered to send a dye transfer or 2393 Vision print to Chicago, and put it in a competently run theatre, then I won't be bothered to lay out my money to see the film.

Seems like the only way to vote is with my wallet.

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Phil Connolly
Film Handler

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There is nothing worse than the movie experince spoiled by dogy presentation and rowdy audiences. Its a crying shame because "Film done Right" is the best thing in the world, unfortunatly it is becoming increasingly rare.

I was lucky enough to get to see the 70mm print of "2001: a space odessy" at the Bradford Film Festival, the presentation was flawless and I was reminded what a powerful experince "film done right" can be.

The tickets for the show were quite expensive £10 ($15ish), but the show sold out - people are prepaired to pay for quality of 70mm.

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Thomas Hauerslev
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From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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 - posted 05-31-2001 09:26 AM      Profile for Thomas Hauerslev   Author's Homepage   Email Thomas Hauerslev   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd like to ad there are several reasons why I don't see many films in the cinema any more. One reason is getting someone to take care of the kids. That's not too difficult, however. Another reason is there aren't enough films that interests neither my wife or I. The movies have become uninteresting. I never saw "Gladiator" (AKA "Spartacus II: The Revenge"), because it didn't appeal to me. It's the first AA "best film" winner since "A Man for all Seasons" I haven't seen.

My point is, only very rarely does anything comes out of Hollywood these days that's original and new.

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Jerry Chase
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Thomas, I agree with you entirely. I used to be fascinated with the films being produced but now I find myself more and more opting for the indie films (when available) and classics on satellite.

I've no interest in cannibalism, get bored with the horror movies of today, and find that films are more and more being made exclusively for the teenage set.

There is no amount of "film done right" on the exhibitor end that will stop this trend or stop adults from looking to other sources of entertainment.

I've watched far more films this years off TCM than I've watched in the theatres in the past three years. For example, I've got my tivo set to record all 4.5 hours of "The Sorrow and the Pity" (you might remember it as the film referred to in the Woody Allen film "Annie Hall") and enjoyed a Hitchcock retrospective last month.

I am being driven from theatres, not because of bad presentation, but because of bad product. Price isn't a factor, travel time isn't a factor, presentation isn't a major factor. My interest has turned to Facets rentals and I'm beginning to check out Netflix as an alternate source of stuff I want to see. I also am simultaniously reading four books to get the depth fix that I used to get out of film. I miss the group experience, but I may end up looking for like-minded people to invite over for an evening of real entertainment.

When I see a big budget film like Pearl Harbor totally twisting the history of a conflict like the cheesy romantic war films of the 1930s, and mis-use CGI to show out-of-scale fighter planes playing Star Wars slot tag, I don't trust the mainstream films today any more than I trusted the over-hyped drive-in fare of the 1970s.

Pearl Harbor is a disservice to both the moviegoer and those who served in the Pacific Theatre. As drive-ins found out, you can't continue to try to fool the audience into attending while providing crap. Eventually they learn, and go away.

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Mark DeLettera
Film Handler

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From: Venice, Florida
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Back to the DVD thing, I think the biggest selling point of the DVD is all the extras! I know many people who don't see a movie at the theatre anymore just because of all those "DVD extras",... and YES, myself included!
Alternate endings, behind the scenes, music videos, directors comments, etc., etc. All of these things you don't get to see at the local multi-plex.
I'm not as bad as a lot of people I know. Some of them just wait for the DVD no matter what. At least I make a major effort to see most all of the "Blockbusters" on the big screen, then I head to the local BLOCKBUSTER to see it again, with all of those cool extras.
Hopefully, most movie enthusists will do the same!

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Mark DeLettera
Eastman Kodak Co.
Worldwide Technical Svs.
Rochester, NY
mark.delettera@kodak.com
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Evans A Criswell
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I know there are a lot of bad movies out there. I've seen many that I would have no interest in seeing again. Here is the test that determines whether or not I thought a movie was good: When the DVD comes out, do I buy it? If yes, then it was a good movie. If no, then it wasn't.

I got interested in this thought, so I tallied all the movies I've seen in theatres that I've seen since January 1, 2000, eliminating duplicates and movies not released on DVD as of May 31, 2001. I've seen 47 different movies (some more than once) in first-run theatres in Huntsville and Decatur during this time period that have been released on DVD. Of those 47, I have bought 29 of them on DVD. This means that of the 47 movies seen since the beginning of 2000, 62 percent of them have been considered "good" enough for me to buy the DVD. I'm surprised that the number is that high, and expected the percentage to be lower.

Based on this, I'd say that bad presentation would drive a customer like me away rather than poor movie quality. There always seems to be somethng that is fun to watch.


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Evans A Criswell
Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Info Site


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Joe Redifer
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If I haven't seen a movie in the movie theater, then I don't look forward to it on DVD. I need a reason to buy the DVD (liking the movie is a good reason). I certainly don't expect alternate endings at the theater. I like playing with those things in private at home. And I never look at those extra features more than once. I don't like waiting for the DVD until I see a movie, unless I only plan on renting it, but even then I am paying for it and I don't like that


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