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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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Any truth to an old story that Edison said it ought to be "that big" (gesturing the width with thumb and index finger)? Supposedly, Dickson took a measurement and that's where the gauge came from.

I had always assumed that it was easier for Dickson and Edison to express the gauge in millimetres because with inches, they would be hassled by fractions.

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Manny Knowles
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Steve:

Interesting question. Maybe if I got more exposure to Canadian product, I'd have a stronger idea of how to categorize it.

IMAX often counts as cinema...I'm bad about verifying what country produced a given title...I've always assumed they were all Canadian.

For clarification: I am not referring to American movies that hopped over to Canada to take advantage of cheaper production. I assumed you were asking about bona fide Canadian movies.

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John Pytlak
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Manny asked: "Any truth to an old story that Edison said it ought to be "that big" (gesturing the width with thumb and index finger)? Supposedly, Dickson took a measurement and that's where the gauge came from."

A nice anecdote, but an unlikely scenario. As I mentioned, Kodak made a 2-3/4 inch wide roll film, and Edison/Dickson slit it in half to 1-3/8 inch width. Check out "The Story of Kodak" by Douglas Collins:
The Story of Kodak

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Steve Kraus
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Yes, actually I did mean the ones that cross the border to save a buck, such as when Hollywood flies right past the real Chicago to recreate the Windy City in Toronto. I love Toronto, but let it be Toronto. As for real Canadian films, well, many of them are simply awesome. See Egoyan's "The Sweet Hereafter" one of the best films of 1997.

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Carl King
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Theatre vs Theater

I've been in the motion picture business for 34 yrs and was raise
in it. My late Dad began managing a movie theatre when I was a year
old in 1952. He once told me that when he entered the industry he
was informed that a movie house was a THEATRE and that a stage house
was a THEATER. That's what seems to be the accepted wisdom in our industry


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Frank Angel
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Carl, I've heard a variation on that also....I was told that to distinguish themselves from "legitimate" Broadway houses, all the vaudville/cinemas on 42nd Street (the day-and-date houses when they added film) used the "re." However, if you open any newspaper here in New York, you find plenty of Broadway theatres using re (the majority I would say) and less using er -- seems pretty random and not following any pattern. Even though the NYTimes for example, uses "er" in their timetable section, then below it, there is a multitude of listings for "Theatre."

Even more ironic is that our Gershwin Theatre has a bronze plaque that says it's the Gershwin Theatre, but up over the canopy entrance to the same theatre, large two foot letters proclaim it is the Gershwin Theater. And in one of the playbills for a college Mainstage Production, the location is given as the Gershwin Theatre but on the same page, it says the play is being produced by the college Theater Department! No rhyme or reason.

I was working with Anthony Daniels (C3P0) this week in a show Lucas put together with the museum: Star Wars-Magic of the Myth exhibit that runs thru May at the Brooklyn Museum. Storm Troupers on stage, and lots of slides and video material from all the films showing lots of visual tricks, augmented with talks by the heads of ILM miniatures and the CG depts -- great fun. Anyway, I heard two things from Daniels that struck me -- he refered to the projection booth as the projection "box" (as he gratiously thanked the projectionists at the end of the show - very classy). And he also pronounced aluminum as "al-you-mini-um," which to me sounded like some weird element we never discovered over here in the US.

We will be running all four SW titles starting next week, and they want us to run their Ep 2 trailer ever time anyone walks in or out of the theatre (just exagerating, but we are running it ALOT). I have no idea if these prints are coming directly from LucasFilm, or from Fox -- no idea what condition they will be in. I suspect they may be coming from Lucas since they seem to have a very hands-on control of this exhibit -- I can't imagine they would rely on Fox to send whatever prints they have lying around from the trilogy re-release for such a big exhibit. Will report back.

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Frank Angel
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Here's one for the books -- the physics books. In high school, when we were learning circutes and AC and DC, they use the carbon arc in one of the examples; in the diagrams they showed the electron flow from the rod that had the pointed end to the rod that had the crater. These were then marked thus -- the pointed rod was called the POSITIVE and the crater was called the NEGATIVE. How's THAT for reversal of nomenclature?!

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Ken Lackner
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In electronics, there are two theories: conventional flow, and electron flow. In my classes, we are studying conventional flow, where current flows from positive to negative. I know that in reality, the actual electrons flow from negative to positive, which is the way it's taught in electron flow theory. I don't know where conventional flow theory came from, but that's probablly what that diagram was using.

Paul, I've heard the term "discharge vessel" also, but I thought it was referring to the quartz envelope. I can't remember where I saw it.

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John Pytlak
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You've got to ac-cen-tu-ate the positive!
http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/pennvalley/biology/lewis/crosby/accentuatethepositive.html

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Carl King
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Hi John Walsh:

I also use Cinnemeccanica projectors. In my booth I have 4
Victoria IVs and 3 Victoira 8s. I think the Mascarini swithc
is used to shut off the projector in case of a break.
Sometmes when film breaks and the projector keeps running the film will
continue to wrap around the feed sprocket. Once it builds up enough it will be high enough to raise the small rounded lever above the feed
sprocket. Once this lever raises high enough it will trigger a microswitch( I think) that will shut off the projector. They were, as
far as I know, an early version of a fail-safe.

Maybe there is someone out there who can verify this but I think I real close to being right on this one.

Carl

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