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John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 06-21-2001 10:19 PM

I hear what you're saying, but the problem with the exhibition industry today is that even people who do a decent job still get the crappiest reviews and crappiest pay raises. It's also unfair to make patrons sit waiting for any projection problem (framing included) to be fixed.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 06-21-2001 10:39 PM

Randy's idea has some merit. But I agree that if a misframe occurs, it is wrong to make the audience wait to have it fixed. How about a special wax or laquer tamperproof "seal" on the framing knob shaft that would indicate it has been turned? If management found a broken seal, they would require an explanation.

Frankly, I would hope that people are trained in proper threading/lacing procedure, and have enough personal pride to never use the framing knob as a "crutch" for improper threading technique. But I'm an optimist at heart.

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Rory Burke
Expert Film Handler

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From: Burbank, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2000

posted 06-21-2001 10:50 PM

Back when I was a service tech for chain in so cal I would take out the little framming lights from all the strong projectors so that projectionist couldnt use that as a handy cap and forced them to frame the proper way. Turn the motor so that the intermittent just makes its rotation and frame to the aperature plate. Give it a foot's worth of more turning to ensure you picutre drops in frame and go!!! That chain believed in leaving bulbs on at all time and light bleeded from the lamphouses and illuminated the gates and traps better as to allow for better framming. To this day I believe they practice this....I hope!!!
Rory

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-21-2001 10:56 PM

I believe most people already know the way I feel on this...

All prints should be screened prior to a paying audience.
Prints should only be assembled by someone with a brain who knows how to make splices that are "in frame".
Anyone who can't thread a projector in frame does not deserve to be in the booth.

Framing controls are not needed except to initially fine tune the adjustment (and during preventive maintenance calls when turrets and lenses are adjusted if need be).

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-21-2001 11:18 PM

I don't like the idea of making the audience wait either but judging by the amount of "traffic" this subject is already getting, customers ALREADY have to wait. I was just thinking of that as a way to make it clear who is doing a good job and who is not. The idea of putting a seal on the knob is a good one as long as they are getting checked and resealed regularly. I can see the situation where I would go around to all my theatres and seal up all the knobs only to come back two weeks later to find them all broken. If I questioned anybody about it I would probably get the standard answer, "I don't know..."

How about we attach an alarm bell to the framer? Even better... how about we electrify it!

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 06-22-2001 12:29 AM

Oh geez people! I've said it before and I'll say it again:

LOCK THE FRAMING KNOB SO IT CAN'T BE TURNED!

If your projector does not allow for that, remove the knob itself.

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Pete Naples
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1565
From: Dunfermline, Scotland
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 06-22-2001 01:32 PM

Then how the heck do you adjust framing for poorly printed features, and more often, poorly printed adverts and trailers??

Personally I leave the framing knob alone, but then I've always been lucky enough to work with guys who knew what they were doing. They'd lace the show in rack every time, the framing knob is just that, a way to adjust framing, not to correct you mistakes. I'd be terribly frustrated if I ran a show that had a printed framing error, and couldn't correct it because the framing handle was jammed!!

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