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Brad Miller
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 - posted 06-21-2001 02:15 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
The splice is in the negative.

John, who is responsible for doing this? I see it on basically everything that comes out of Deluxe labs. I don't think I've ever seen it from Technicolor labs, which is why I am pointing my finger towards someone at the lab for now.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 06-21-2001 02:33 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Not a simple answer. Generally, the cut negative and mixed sound master would come from the production company. The distributor would specify that a trailer be added, which could be by the production company, someone at the studio, or at the lab.

The trailer could be part of the original cut negative, in which case it would be carried through the answer print and the duplicate negatives and release prints along with the feature.

Or the trailer duplicate negative and sound negative could be added to the printing negatives at the last minute in the lab. If this were the case, I would expect to see the image of an ultrasonic frameline splice in both the picture and soundtrack negatives, 21 frames apart, as that is what the lab would have to use.

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Karen Hultgren
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 - posted 06-22-2001 05:06 PM      Profile for Karen Hultgren   Author's Homepage   Email Karen Hultgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Antonio,

I believe that at the present time, we are only doing trailer discs for North America only. The disc is a subscription item that the studios pay for and, so far, no deals have been made to territories outside North America.

Karen at DTS

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John Wilson
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 - posted 06-23-2001 07:41 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Karen

This point needs to be made then. As you say, there are no trailer discs for outside USA. Our unattached trls are about 98% dts-less and even the attached trailers are the same in almost all cases.

So, that means we have to go straight into the dts tag from analog or SRD, and the lead in time given on the Sonic Landscape tags is not sufficient for the discs to get up to speed and allow for the CP500 to switch to dts. So the first note of the piano is invariably played in SR analog. I tried to leave as much leader attached to the tags intact, but found I was limited by very small imperfections (a series of dots) in the analog track which has to be removed and thus made the dts lead-in time much shorter.

Any chance when these tags are done again before the next print run there could be a bit more lead-in?

John

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Antonio Marcheselli
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John,

So it was not my unit and/or my Sonic Landscapes Trailer...

I noted that Sonic Landscapes started "while" the first piano note was playing and that there were some noisy during first moment of trailer if played in analog...

I feel better... I thought that our unit was defective again...

Bye
Antonio

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Joseph Pandolfi
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Brad: I had to recut the tail of the attached trailer for Dr. Doolittle 2. last night because the DTS would play the opening second or two of the 20th. Century Fox logo after it ended. Because of the location of the negative splice, it was cut at the last credit of Planet of the Apes was beginning to fade out.

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